Pursuant to law, Congress asks IRS Director for 6 years of Trumps tax returns. . .
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Uh, wasn't it one of Hillary's election committee persons who started it?
Wasn't Trump a birther?
Yes, one of a number.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
It is funny that the House is issuing subpoenas for something nobody is denying them
Barr plans on giving them the report once he works with Mueller to redact sensitive information
It is very reasonable given his background, his obfuscation on the issue and history....not to mention father and namesake. Stop being a brain dead miscreant.
Uh, wasn't it one of Hillary's election committee persons who started it?
No, it wasn't. Cons have always been dishonest about this issue and I don't expect them to change after reading the facts.
"In fact, birtherism, as it’s been called, reportedly began with innuendo by serial Illinois political candidate Andy Martin, who painted Obama as a closet Muslim in 2004. That spiraled into a concerted effort by conspiracy theorists to raise doubts about Obama’s birthplace and religion — and essentially paint him as un-American.
Martin, who briefly launched a little-noticed presidential campaign last year, has disavowed the movement he’s often credited with starting, though he still foments similarly discredited doubts about Obama’s religion."
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304
Willful idiot thinks the left is winning.
Non sequitur. Thanks for showing you have nothing honest to add.
You can dance around this all you like and I know you said it was stupid. But there was ZERO reason to believe Obama wasn't a citizen so there was no Constitutional issue to decide. This was a completely made up issue by people who didn't like a black man running, the middle name "Hussein", his African father or a combination of all. There was nothing in Obama's background to cast doubt on his citizenship. It was a fiction from beginning to end.
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From your source you moron:
Some hardcore Clinton backers circulated the rumors in 2008
In fact, birtherism, as it’s been called, reportedly began with innuendo by serial Illinois political candidate Andy Martin A DEMOCRAT
Much of the insinuation that Clinton had a hand in birtherism traces to the role of her then-senior strategist Mark Penn, who issued a memo in 2007 suggesting that Clinton emphasize Obama’s upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia and paint him as fundamentally un-American.
Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen, picking up on some of Martin’s innuendo and extending it further.
The notion that it wasn't begun within the Party of the Jackass or had legs in the Hillary camp is bull shit.
Of course snowflake; I mean, who would think that someone with the name of Barrack Hussein Obama with a Nigerian Muslim father would be born anywhere else right?
No it wasn't, it was flat out demogoguery, partially racist at that, who the hell do you think it appealed to, and Trump employed it to keep his name relevant
Are you still a racist?
Philip Berg. But this is about trump being a nut job, not lawsuits.
Here's a laundry list of birther declarations Trump made before he tried to put the controversy to rest:
1. "Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like."
- March 23, 2011, on "The View"
2. "He's spent millions of dollars trying to get away from this issue. Millions of dollars in legal fees trying to get away from this issue. And I'll tell you what, I brought it up, just routinely, and all of a sudden a lot facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."
- March 28, 2011, on Fox News
3. "He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way."
- March 30, 2011, on the Laura Ingraham show.
4. "I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."
- April 7, 2011, on NBC's "Today" show
5. "His grandmother in Kenya said, 'Oh, no, he was born in Kenya and I was there and I witnessed the birth.' She's on tape. I think that tape's going to be produced fairly soon. Somebody is coming out with a book in two weeks, it will be very interesting."
- April 7, 2011, on MSNBC's "Morning Joe"
Note: On April 27, 2011, President Obama made public his long form birth certificate. The Trump campaign in his statement portrayed this as the event that resolved the situation.
"Having successfully obtained President Obama's birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States," Miller said.
But as the following comments demonstrate, whatever he thought personally, Trump continued to gin up birther issues for years after.
6. "He didn't know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The literary agent wrote down what he said ... He said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia ... Now they're saying it was a mistake. Just like his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and she pointed down the road to the hospital, and after people started screaming at her, she said, 'Oh, I mean Hawaii.' Give me a break."
- May 24, 2012, interview with The Daily Beast's Lloyd Grove, responding to an erroneous report about Obama
7. "A lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate. ... Many people do not think it was authentic. His mother was not in the hospital. There are many other things that came out. And frankly if you would report it accurately I think you'd probably get better ratings than you're getting."
- May 29, 2012, to CNN's Wolf Blitzer
8. "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."
August 6, 2012, in a tweet more than a year after Obama released his longform birth certificate
9. "Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows."
- August 2013, to ABC News
10. "How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama's 'birth certificate' died in plane crash today. All others lived."
- December 12, 2013, in tweet about the death of Loretta Fuddy.
11. "Well, I don't know -- did he do it? ... Well, a lot of people don't agree with you and a lot of people feel it wasn't a proper certificate."
-May 2014, in an interview with TV3's Colette Fitzpatrick in Ireland, Trump first contested whether Obama had released his birth certificate, then questioned whether its legitimacy.
12. "There are three things that could happen. And one of them did happen. He was perhaps born in Kenya. Very simple, OK? He was perhaps born in this country. But said he was born in Kenya because if you say you were born in Kenya, you got aid and you got into colleges. People were doing that. So perhaps he was born in this country, and that has a very big chance. Or, you know, who knows?"
- May 27, 2014, in remarks at the National Press Club
13. "Who knows about Obama? ... Who knows, who knows? Who cares right now?... I have my own theory on Obama. Someday I will write a book, I will do another book, and it will do very successfully."
- January 6, 2016, in aninterview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
14. "I'll answer that question at the right time. I just don't want to answer it yet ... I don't talk about it anymore. The reason I don't is because then everyone is going to be talking about it as opposed to jobs, the military, the vets, security."
- September 15, 2016, in an interview with The Washington Post.
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Jesus is LORD!
Nope. It followed what you said.
You claimed that all right wingers are nutjobs, so I called you out for your bigotry.
Bigotry is a specific form of the Compositional Error Fallacy.
gfm7175
Jesus is LORD!
Precisely the point I was making.
In the case of Obama, it was a Constitutional issue; in this case with Trump, it is not.