Pruitt insists that the EPA only uses data that is public

kudzu said:
I think its important to reduce pollution of all kinds as much as possible.. Look at the difference in air quality in LA in the past 30 years. What I don't understand is why conservatives don't want to conserve our planet.
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I'm a liberal and I don't want to conserve it either. I would like to preserve it, however.
 
Havana Moon said:
I am totally confused, what does that have to do with rare earths?

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I am no scientist.. Have you read about the Stockholm Convention?

http://chm.pops.int/TheConvention/ThePOPs/The12InitialPOPs/tabid/296/Default.aspx



Rare Earth Elements: Industrial Applications and Economic ...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212567115006309
by G Charalampides - ‎2015 - ‎Cited by 19 - ‎Related articles
Rare Earth Oxides are used in mature markets (such as catalysts, glassmaking and metallurgy), which account for 59% of the total worldwide consumption of rare earth elements, and in newer, high-growth markets (such as battery alloys, ceramics, and permanent magnets), which account for 41% of the total worldwide ...
 
kudzu said:
I am no scientist.. Have you read about the Stockholm Convention?

http://chm.pops.int/TheConvention/ThePOPs/The12InitialPOPs/tabid/296/Default.aspx



Rare Earth Elements: Industrial Applications and Economic ...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212567115006309
by G Charalampides - ‎2015 - ‎Cited by 19 - ‎Related articles
Rare Earth Oxides are used in mature markets (such as catalysts, glassmaking and metallurgy), which account for 59% of the total worldwide consumption of rare earth elements, and in newer, high-growth markets (such as battery alloys, ceramics, and permanent magnets), which account for 41% of the total worldwide ...
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I am sure that I've told you I have a degree in chemistry. Organic chemicals in the ocean have nothing to do with rare earth elements.

https://geology.com/articles/rare-earth-elements/

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Havana Moon said:
I am sure that I've told you I have a degree in chemistry. Organic chemicals in the ocean have nothing to do with rare earth elements.

https://geology.com/articles/rare-earth-elements/

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Persistent organic pollutants have to be disposed of by industry and it takes them a thousand years if ever to break down.. Sometimes they do wind up in the ocean.

If you were a chemistry major, you would certainly understand high speed, pressurized distillation... and the cleaning and recycling of refrigerant gases.
 
kudzu said:
Persistent organic pollutants have to be disposed of by industry and it takes them a thousand years if ever to break down.. Sometimes they do wind up in the ocean.

If you were a chemistry major, you would certainly understand high speed, pressurized distillation... and the cleaning and recycling of refrigerant gases.
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That's besides the point, what has all that to do with rare earths?

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kudzu said:
A List of All Rare Earth Elements
ZElementUse
39YttriumTV sets, cancer treatment drugs, enhances strength of alloys
57LanthanumCamera lenses, battery-electrodes, hydrogen storage
58CeriumCatalytic converters, colored glass, steel production
59PraseodymiumSuper-strong magnets, welding goggles, lasers
13 more rows

http://www.namibiarareearths.com/rare-earths-industry.asp
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Seriously, I know what rare earths are and their uses. I just don't understand post 67.

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Havana Moon said:
Seriously, I know what rare earths are and their uses.

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Then you understand it far better than I do.

The next project takes waste fluorinated and chlorinated chemicals, that companies are paying to have destroyed, and turn them into valuable, saleable products.
 
kudzu said:
Is there some problem with downstream pollution? I have never seen an EPA Swat team.
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Then you've never been to remote Chicken, Alaska.

Some miners in Alaska want the feds to start digging for answers.

A task force including members of 10 state and federal law enforcement agencies descended on a gold mine in the tiny town of Chicken (pop. 17) last month, in what locals described as a raid.

“Imagine coming up to your diggings, only to see agents swarming over it like ants, wearing full body armor, with jackets that say "POLICE" emblazoned on them, and all packing side arms,” gold miner C.R. Hammond told the Alaska Dispatch. “How would you have felt? You would be wondering, ‘My God, what have I done now?”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/0...ka-town-reportedly-miffed-over-epa-raids.html
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Agents pose for a picture during their investigation of potential Clean Water Act violations near Chicken, Alaska in 2013. Photo courtesy of EPA
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Havana Moon said:
How shocking Scott Pruitt wants to force the EPA to act in a scientific manner and publish all the data it uses.


In a bombshell, Scott Pruitt is expecting scientists to act scientifically. My God what a dangerous precedent that is, whatever next?



http://joannenova.com.au/2018/03/pr...e-data-that-is-public-no-more-secret-science/

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Yea I heard about this the other day at work. The general consensus was to roll your eyes, shrug your shoulders, chuckle and say “Well there goes Pruitt again.”.

You’re becoming a real anti-environmental ideologue Tom and it’s preventing you from thinking things through.

Pruitt’s decision will never survive court challenge Tom. You know why? I’ll tell you right now that it has nothing to do scientific peer review.

Much of the data used in formulating environmental regulation is based on public health data. Particularly where emission and exposure standards are concerned. Now in public health studies , by its nature, people are involved. Now this may come as a surprise to you but in the US people have a right to privacy. Public Health data often has strictures on making information public because it exposes personal information about private individuals.

So what Pruitt is attempting to do is to prevent such public health studies from being used. That will never fly Tom. Protecting people’s private information is an integral and legally protected aspect of public health studies. In no way does protecting personal information prevent proper scientific peer review. If that were so almost all major medical scientific research would have been halted a long time ago.

So what you and Pruitt are arguing is a false dichotomy that scientific enquirery and protecting personal privacy are incompatible. That notion is absurd. The only purpose this serves is to deny valid data from being used to formulate regulation if it prevents private personal information from becoming public. That only purpose that will serve will be to undermine the regulatory process.

Now when you consider that Congress created the laws for environmental protection and protecting privacy then you might understand this policy will not survive court challenges. Pruitt does not have the right to create law or disregard laws created by Congress. Only Congress has this right.

So ultimately Pruitt will waste a lot of tax payer money in court challenges and he will lose.
 
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