Proof the Right Has No Idea What The Debate is About

Southern Man said:
He's going in the back door, like he does with his wife. *shrug*
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So because you think at some point in the future there may be a single payer system, even though it has nothing to do with this bill and there's no logical slipperly slope to go from a government health insurance option to a single payer system, you're going to oppose any reform.

You will oppose any reform regardless of the bill, you said. And leaving it alone is enough for you.

You are Grade AA retarded.
 
There are many fat-cat special interest groups trying to block progress on health care reform by using myths and scare tactics, like the ridiculous notions that health care reform would ration care, hurt Medicare, or that it is a "government takeover".

All of the health care reform plans currently being debated in Congress would ensure that you and your doctor are the only ones making decisions about your health.

The majority of working Americans will continue to receive their health care through their employer.

In addition, health care reform will strengthen Medicare by eliminating billions of dollars in waste while lowering prescription drug prices.

When I see obstructionists using scare tactics, I'll make sure you're given the facts so you can make informed decisions about health care reform.

Myth: Health care reform is socialized medicine.

Fact: Health care reform will preserve the employer-based health care system, meaning an estimated 200 million Americans will continue to get their coverage through their employers.

Fact: For people buying coverage for themselves, there would be a range of private health plans to choose from. Also, the so-called "public plan" option would seek to give American consumers another choice if they can't find affordable, quality coverage in the private insurance market. The goal of the "public plan" is to give consumers the best value for their money and force greater competition among insurance plans for our business.

Fact: Every proposal that Congress is considering would allow people to choose their own doctors and hospitals.

Myth: Health care reform means rationed care.

Fact: None of the health reform proposals being considered would stand between individuals and their doctors or prevent any American from choosing the best possible care.

Fact: Health care reform will NOT give the government the power to make life or death decisions for anyone regardless of their age. Those decisions will be made by an individual, their doctor and their family.

Fact: Health care reform will help ensure doctors are paid fairly so they will continue to treat Medicare patients.

Health reform isn't about rationing; it's about giving people the peace of mind of knowing that they will be able to keep their doctors and that they will always have a choice of affordable health plans.

Myth: Health care reform will hurt Medicare.

Fact: None of the health care reform proposals being considered by Congress would cut Medicare benefits or increase your out-of-pocket costs for Medicare services.

Fact: Health care reform will lower prescription drug costs for people in the Medicare Part D coverage gap or "doughnut hole" so they can get better afford the drugs they need.

Fact: Health care reform will protect seniors' access to their doctors and reduce the cost of preventive services so patients stay healthier.

Fact: Health care reform will reduce costly, preventable hospital readmissions, saving patients and Medicare money.

Fact: Rather than weaken Medicare, health care reform will strengthen the financial status of the Medicare program.

For people on Medicare, health care reform is about lowering prescription drug costs for people in the Bush-era "doughnut hole", keeping your doctor of choice, improving the quality of care, and eliminating billions in waste.

Myth: Health care reform is too expensive – we can't afford it.

Fact: The President and Congress have committed to producing legislation that will be paid for so it won't saddle our children and grandchildren with debt.

Fact: If we do nothing to fix health care, families with Medicare or employer-based health coverage will likely see their premiums nearly double again in the next seven years.

Fact: If we do nothing to fix health care, the share of your income spent on health care will nearly double in the next seven years.

When one in three Americans say someone in their family skipped pills, postponed or cut back on needed medical care due to the cost; when countless bankruptcies are related to medical expenses; when the number of uninsured approaches 50 million; when government spending on health programs rises so rapidly that it jeopardizes other priorities; and when employers struggle to pay for the costs of health care, the fact is, we can't afford not to fix health care.

Fight the lies! Urge your representatives to pass reform now!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I specifically looked for urls dated 2009....
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You clearly didn't read them.

And you are proving my point, by the way, about the right not knowing what the debate is about. You run all around the board telling us how you'll be forced to buy the government OPTION and, in so doing, prove your ignorance and prove me correct.
 
We can't fix the economy without fixing healthcare. Reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade.

It will keep government out of health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your insurance if you're happy with it.
 
ib1yysguy said:
You clearly didn't read them.

And you are proving my point, by the way, about the right not knowing what the debate is about. You run all around the board telling us how you'll be forced to buy the government OPTION and, in so doing, prove your ignorance and prove me correct.
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to the contrary, I have proved that YOU don't know the statute...I have provided a quote of the statute which proves what I said....what have you provided?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
to the contrary, I have proved that YOU don't know the statute...I have provided a quote of the statute which proves what I said....what have you provided?.....
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I told you how you're misreading it. It says grandfathered plans and says a bunch of other stuff about it that oyu don't understand. So you heard from Rush or someone that it means you cant buy private insurance, which isn't the case. It's fucking ignorant.
 
DNC said:
There are many fat-cat special interest groups trying to block progress on health care reform by using myths and scare tactics, like the ridiculous notions that health care reform would ration care, hurt Medicare, or that it is a "government takeover".

All of the health care reform plans currently being debated in Congress would ensure that you and your doctor are the only ones making decisions about your health.

The majority of working Americans will continue to receive their health care through their employer.

In addition, health care reform will strengthen Medicare by eliminating billions of dollars in waste while lowering prescription drug prices.

When I see obstructionists using scare tactics, I'll make sure you're given the facts so you can make informed decisions about health care reform.

Myth: Health care reform is socialized medicine.

Fact: Health care reform will preserve the employer-based health care system, meaning an estimated 200 million Americans will continue to get their coverage through their employers.

Fact: For people buying coverage for themselves, there would be a range of private health plans to choose from. Also, the so-called "public plan" option would seek to give American consumers another choice if they can't find affordable, quality coverage in the private insurance market. The goal of the "public plan" is to give consumers the best value for their money and force greater competition among insurance plans for our business.

Fact: Every proposal that Congress is considering would allow people to choose their own doctors and hospitals.

Myth: Health care reform means rationed care.

Fact: None of the health reform proposals being considered would stand between individuals and their doctors or prevent any American from choosing the best possible care.

Fact: Health care reform will NOT give the government the power to make life or death decisions for anyone regardless of their age. Those decisions will be made by an individual, their doctor and their family.

Fact: Health care reform will help ensure doctors are paid fairly so they will continue to treat Medicare patients.

Health reform isn't about rationing; it's about giving people the peace of mind of knowing that they will be able to keep their doctors and that they will always have a choice of affordable health plans.

Myth: Health care reform will hurt Medicare.

Fact: None of the health care reform proposals being considered by Congress would cut Medicare benefits or increase your out-of-pocket costs for Medicare services.

Fact: Health care reform will lower prescription drug costs for people in the Medicare Part D coverage gap or "doughnut hole" so they can get better afford the drugs they need.

Fact: Health care reform will protect seniors' access to their doctors and reduce the cost of preventive services so patients stay healthier.

Fact: Health care reform will reduce costly, preventable hospital readmissions, saving patients and Medicare money.

Fact: Rather than weaken Medicare, health care reform will strengthen the financial status of the Medicare program.

For people on Medicare, health care reform is about lowering prescription drug costs for people in the Bush-era "doughnut hole", keeping your doctor of choice, improving the quality of care, and eliminating billions in waste.

Myth: Health care reform is too expensive – we can't afford it.

Fact: The President and Congress have committed to producing legislation that will be paid for so it won't saddle our children and grandchildren with debt.

Fact: If we do nothing to fix health care, families with Medicare or employer-based health coverage will likely see their premiums nearly double again in the next seven years.

Fact: If we do nothing to fix health care, the share of your income spent on health care will nearly double in the next seven years.

When one in three Americans say someone in their family skipped pills, postponed or cut back on needed medical care due to the cost; when countless bankruptcies are related to medical expenses; when the number of uninsured approaches 50 million; when government spending on health programs rises so rapidly that it jeopardizes other priorities; and when employers struggle to pay for the costs of health care, the fact is, we can't afford not to fix health care.

Fight the lies! Urge your representatives to pass reform now!
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And if you don't believe me.....

JUST ASK ME......:321::321::321:
 
Health care reform will preserve the employer-based health care system, meaning an estimated 200 million Americans will continue to get their coverage through their employers.

For people buying coverage for themselves, there would be a range of private health plans to choose from.

Also, the so-called "public plan" option would seek to give American consumers another choice if they can't find affordable, quality coverage in the private insurance market.

The goal of the "public plan" is to give consumers the best value for their money and force greater competition among insurance plans for our business.
 
ib1yysguy said:
So because you think at some point in the future there may be a single payer system, even though it has nothing to do with this bill and there's no logical slipperly slope to go from a government health insurance option to a single payer system, you're going to oppose any reform.

You will oppose any reform regardless of the bill, you said. And leaving it alone is enough for you.

You are Grade AA retarded.
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I already told you what my plan would be. You're obviously retarded for not understanding that, and I'd grade you an F. *shrug*

There is certainly a logical progression towards a single payer system. Employers are going to choose the cheapest plan that causes them the least headache, and the government makes a private plan expensive and onerous. In ten 15 or 20 years there will be no private insurance left. Obama's stated that as his goal. Are you saying that he lied?
 
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