Prediction... Republican argument for 2011.

Jarod

Jarod

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So the economy will recover, it always does, maybe slowly, maybe fast. The Republicans who are crying that this is the end of America as we know it, the Republicans who are saying that Obama is destroying any chance of a recovery....

They will all be argueing by 2011 that the economy was always going to recover and the fact that it did is evidence that Bush did a good job, dispite Obama's attempts to mess it up.
 
Jarod said:
So the economy will recover, it always does, maybe slowly, maybe fast. The Republicans who are crying that this is the end of America as we know it, the Republicans who are saying that Obama is destroying any chance of a recovery....

They will all be argueing by 2011 that the economy was always going to recover and the fact that it did is evidence that Bush did a good job, dispite Obama's attempts to mess it up.
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Such a claim would fall on deaf ears.

If the economy recovers the reality would be that republicans had no hand in its recovery.

Obama's presidency will be judged by how well the economy does, not what republicans have to say.
 
Well duh, Jarod. Everyone except uscitizen is saying that the economy will recover within a few years, and many people feel that the current deficit-spending will ultimately harm us and delay recovery. We probably won't know whether that is the case or not for at least a few decades. Immediately after the Great Depression abated, many people were crediting FDR's response for ending the crisis. Today, we know that FDR's repeated interventions and massive debt-financed work relief programs ultimately delayed recovery of the Depression. But immediately after the crisis ended, people were still believing what they were told, namely that FDR and the federal government had saved them. It wasn't until several decades later that economists began to study the crisis thoroughly and concluded that FDR's efforts actually delayed recovery.
 
Well, government already caused a bigger scare than needed with the Banks, but that was during the Bush years. Obama years they are intervening with the Auto-makers, which will pro-long this recession. Just when it looked like we were headed toward recovery.
 
Jarod said:
So the economy will recover, it always does, maybe slowly, maybe fast. The Republicans who are crying that this is the end of America as we know it, the Republicans who are saying that Obama is destroying any chance of a recovery....

They will all be argueing by 2011 that the economy was always going to recover and the fact that it did is evidence that Bush did a good job, dispite Obama's attempts to mess it up.
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Yes, I will be saying the economy would recover. I have been saying that all along as it is. If America survives the economy will recover.

No, I will not give George Bush credit. The credit would be undeserved.

No, I have not been blaming President Obama for the possible end of America as we know it. I have been blaming career politicians in Washington, of which President Obama is only one of many. It is their fault not solely his.

I'm concerned about America's continuing viability. I'm concerned that the career politicians are corrupt. I'm concerned that America cannot survive, but I don't blame President Obama by himself.

Please feel free to keep this post in your file so that when the time comes, my words will be on record.

Immie
 
The argument the republicans will have is that Obama is the Wall Street President .. and it's a valid argument. The question is can republicans make the argument since they are also as tied to Wall Street as a calf to a cow's teet.

Lots of people who so enthusiatically ran to the polls to vote for Obama are having seond thoughts already, even among his once staunchest supporters.

It isn't like they weren't warned .. although not by republicans who were too busy wallowing in Ayers, ACORN idiocy.
 
Immanuel said:
Yes, I will be saying the economy would recover. I have been saying that all along as it is. If America survives the economy will recover.

No, I will not give George Bush credit. The credit would be undeserved.

No, I have not been blaming President Obama for the possible end of America as we know it. I have been blaming career politicians in Washington, of which President Obama is only one of many. It is their fault not solely his.

I'm concerned about America's continuing viability. I'm concerned that the career politicians are corrupt. I'm concerned that America cannot survive, but I don't blame President Obama by himself.

Please feel free to keep this post in your file so that when the time comes, my words will be on record.

Immie
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What makes Obama a career polititian? He served one term in the United States Sennate and then was elected president. Many said he did not have enough experience in elected politics to become president???!!??
 
As I predicted, Obama and his centrist politics is opening the door for republicans to regain control of Congress.

The honeymoon may really be over by the time Obama, the Wall Street President, gets back from europe. He's not going to get much applause there for his belief that the world should pour more money on bankers as he's done here in the US. More and more people are starting to see through the duplicity in his economic policies and priorities. They like him personally, but don't think much of his economics.

Expect capitalism to get a tongue lashing at the G-20 summit with much of the anger directed, correctly so, at the American financial and banking system. Europeans understand that there is no such thing as a "free market" and they're demanding, correctly so, more regulations on Wall Street, and in some cases, international oversight. Obama will be there defending Wall Street as he was paid by Wall Street to do. This should make for a most interesting summit where some there may wonder if having a democrat or a republican in the White House makes any real difference.

But more importantly, Obama's alligence to Wall Street is causing even bigger problems for him at home. Michigan is upset by his duplicity in the way he treated Wall Street compared to how he's treating the auto industry. The governor there acknowledges she has the same sentiment and she's having a hard time defending him. Without unions, Obama is not the president. You can almost hear the air seeping out of the "Yes We Can" balloons.

Republicans, if they're smart .. which is a big ass "if" .. could exploit Obama's centrism and regain control of Congress, just as they did with Clinton.

If that happens, democrats themselves will bear some responsibility for their return because they refuse to criticize Obama when he's wrong just as republicans refused to stand up to Bush and his delusional policies .. and look what happened to them. In four years, democrats could be todays republicans.

In the end, it is the American people who lose as they bounce around in a two-party trap that is controlled by the plutocrats.

The giant hole in democracy has exploded. We exist in a plutocracy.
 
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Jarod said:
What makes Obama a career polititian? He served one term in the United States Sennate and then was elected president. Many said he did not have enough experience in elected politics to become president???!!??
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First, he did not serve a full term as Senator, did he?

Second, He soared to the Presidency before his time. Simply because he has not been entrenched in Washington for 40 plus years does not mean he is not a career politician. By the way, "career" does not mean he's been there forever. Career means one who will be spending his entire future as a politician. You don't believe he will be going away when he term as President is over, do you?

Immie
 
Immanuel said:
First, he did not serve a full term as Senator, did he?

Second, He soared to the Presidency before his time. Simply because he has not been entrenched in Washington for 40 plus years does not mean he is not a career politician. By the way, "career" does not mean he's been there forever. Career means one who will be spending his entire future as a politician. You don't believe he will be going away when he term as President is over, do you?

Immie
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So by defination any president is a career polititian?
 
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/austria-fdr/

In recent days, conservatives have been trying to block the economic recovery package by arguing that government spending will wreck the American economy. As an example, they point to FDR and the Great Depression. Earlier this month, for instance, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) inaccurately argued that the New Deal “exacerbated the Great Depression.” In a new interview with the Columbus Dispatch, Rep. Steve Austria (R-OH) joined in:

“When (President Franklin) Roosevelt did this, he put our country into a Great Depression,” Austria said. “He tried to borrow and spend, he tried to use the Keynesian approach, and our country ended up in a Great Depression. That’s just history.”
 
Jarod said:
So by defination any president is a career polititian?
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If they are going to be around Washington still affecting policy after their term is over yes.

But, again, it is not President Obama who is the one to blame for this problem. It is Congress and the corruption that is rampant in Washington that is to blame for our problems and President Obama is as much a part of the corruption in Washington as any other politician who plays the game that gets them a seat in Congress.

Immie
 
evince said:
Nope it did not exacerbate the GD , that is only believed by right wing hacks.
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Hey thanks for clearing that up for me. My foolish professors and their fancy degrees and factually supported lectures. I'll tell them the truth tomorrow.
 
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