Pope Francis Denounces Big Business' 'Idolatry Of Money'

christiefan915 said:
He's working on cleaning up the corruption, too. And you might as well say "all religions are the encapsulation, etc." because idolatry of money is not limited to the Catholic church.

Pope Francis cleans house at the Vatican Bank

By Alessandro Speciale| Religion News Service,July 01, 2013

VATICAN CITY — Two top managers of the Vatican Bank resigned on Monday (July 1), just five days after Pope Francis appointed an independent commission to conduct a top-to-bottom review of the scandal-plagued bank. The surprise resignation of the bank’s director general, Paolo Cipriani, and of his deputy, Massimo Tulli, follows the arrest of a senior Vatican official with close ties to the bank who was charged on Friday with attempting to smuggle 20 million euros into Italy from Switzerland.

Cipriani, 58, served as the bank’s director general since 2007 and will be replaced on an interim basis by the bank’s president, German financier Ernst von Freyberg, who was appointed last February in one of Pope Benedict XVI’s last official acts.

With its checkered history marked by allegations of shady deals and its tradition of utter secrecy, the Vatican Bank has become a focal point in criticism over mismanagement and corruption within the Curia, the church’s central bureaucracy.

Francis, who was elected with a clear mandate to reform the Curia, has called for a simpler, poorer church. To him, the Vatican’s scandals are a powerful countermessage to the church’s mission of preaching the gospel."

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what does this have anything to do with what I said? you are just barfing up articles pretending to refute the things I have said but they do nothing of the sort. the catholic church still has investments all over the world. they make boatloads of money. that's what I said. I didn't say they were corrupt in doing so, or that they didn't care about being corrupt. I said they are raking in the dough, which you are pretending to refute but which you aren't doing at all.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
What's fair is me sitting around the house all day waiting for my wife to return with the money.

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Fixed that for ya.
 
Cotard said:
what does this have anything to do with what I said? you are just barfing up articles pretending to refute the things I have said but they do nothing of the sort. the catholic church still has investments all over the world. they make boatloads of money. that's what I said. I didn't say they were corrupt in doing so, or that they didn't care about being corrupt. I said they are raking in the dough, which you are pretending to refute but which you aren't doing at all.
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the investments, and the holdings should be taxed here in the US.
I would never be in favor of taxing the church ( say a small parrish, or non Catholic church), but having invedtments, and property holdings....

I mean isn't that wealth? What did Jesus say about giving up richs and wealth?

Not in favor of taxing, say the Vatican Museum holdings - they are artistic treasures, but plain old real estate, or investment portfolios - yes.
 
Steelplate said:
I am not Catholic.... But I like this Pope.

don't convert, they have enough hypocrites in their midst already....if he spoke out against abortion you'd be calling for his head on a platter....
how about Pelosi being refused Communion ?

Gays? Who am I to judge?

You judge everything else, why not ?

Greed and the worship of money and power? Against it.

As everyone else is....and greed and worship of money is redundant...

Birth Control? Sees the need for it.



abortion? well.... 3/4 ain't bad.



Francis knows that the key to lessening abortions is to have viable jobs and opportunities that are family sustaining.
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Really? Why is that? People with jobs don't have sex or they can afford nannies or what.....?
People that love children will always find a way.....
 
annata said:
the investments, and the holdings should be taxed here in the US.
I would never be in favor of taxing the church ( say a small parrish, or non Catholic church), but having invedtments, and property holdings....

I mean isn't that wealth? What did Jesus say about giving up richs and wealth?

Not in favor of taxing, say the Vatican Museum holdings - they are artistic treasures, but plain old real estate, or investment portfolios - yes.
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So you want a little integration of church and state....buy only on your terms....?
 
NOVA said:
So you want a little integration of church and state....buy only on your terms....?
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Hi NOVA.

Just thinking.. why holdings should be exempt from taxes - aquistiion of wealth for wealth's sake.

don't seem kosher.
 
evince said:
you are full of blather


helping people is why the fuck you walk the planet.

Man became an intelligent being BECAUSE he needed a bigger brain for language to be able to be the social animal we all are.



You are a human ONLY because man has cared for each other since we became humans
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You're painful evidence that "man" has not achieved intelligence and is perhaps regressing you incredibly dense hate filled retard.
 
iolo said:
Probably that the rich buggers had stolen what they made, so that they were poor and hungry, ready to be shot down by the arse-licking servants of capitalist 'freedom' for not eating grass.
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Another incredibly stupid post lacking anything credible or factual to support it. Why is it that leftards feel so compelled to post absolute bullshit lies to support their inept failed ideology? The answer is painfully obvious in posts like these. They're incredibly stupid and poorly informed.
 
NOVA said:
I am not Catholic.... But I like this Pope.

don't convert, they have enough hypocrites in their midst already....if he spoke out against abortion you'd be calling for his head on a platter....
how about Pelosi being refused Communion ?
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Since you're not a Catholic I'll cut you a tiny bit of slack. The bishop is free to shoot his mouth off about Pelosi but he's wrong about denying her the Eucharist. He's not her confessor and he's basing his comments on the fact that she supports Roe v. Wade, a law that applies to non-Catholics also. Conservative clergy have tried to play the Communion card for decades. I've heard the same thing about the Kennedy family, the Kerrys and other Catholic pols. As much as this bishop resonates with you, he cannot make Pelosi's priest ban her from the Eucharist.

Since you're agnostic, doesn't it bother you that the bishop is trying to impose his religious views? Doesn't it bother you that he's using his bully pulpit as a lobbying tool?

Church teaching is against abortion. I haven't heard of any priest preaching that he supports it, not on the news, not actually in church. Francis is never going to support it either but he's taken a huge step in saying that there are other equally important issues to focus on. Francis is showing more compassion to all people than I've seen from other Popes in ages. Maybe because he admits that he, too, is a sinner like every person on earth?

You know just enough about Catholicism to make you dangerous. You pick up all the superficial memes and use them without understanding that 2000+ years of Catholic teaching can't be distilled into a 3x5 pocket notebook. If you want some real information on the Church and its teachings feel free to ask me or the other Catholics here instead of repeating a conservative bishop's tirade as if he's the sole authority on the faith.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually this is a false statement.....in the very passage you refer to, it states....
Mark 10:21
Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
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Jesus loves every one. But he didn't like every one. You take my words out of context.
 
Cotard said:
what does this have anything to do with what I said? you are just barfing up articles pretending to refute the things I have said but they do nothing of the sort. the catholic church still has investments all over the world. they make boatloads of money. that's what I said. I didn't say they were corrupt in doing so, or that they didn't care about being corrupt. I said they are raking in the dough, which you are pretending to refute but which you aren't doing at all.
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If you had come onto this thread saying "I hate the Catholic church, the Pope and the horse he rode in on" I wouldn't have responded because that's the way you always talk. Instead you countered with a lot of BS and bad info that was irrelevant to the OP topic. So I corrected you and now you're pissed, what else is new. *rhetorical question*
 
Threedee said:
@PMP

Could you stop using "asshat" for an insult? I keep thinking you're addressing AsshatZombie!


#Axe to grind
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@threedee.....
could you stop confusing me with other people?....
and while you're at at, could you stop adding "#Axe to grind" to your posts as if it actually meant something?......
 
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