poor refiners crying about 15% ethanol fuel

[PostmodernProphet]

Ethanol is enormously expensive to produce, and it requires oil to produce, meaning it does nothing to reduce petroleum consumption as well as being costly. You are denying that this matters.

uh, no....I am denying it's true.....there's a difference......and, I've proven I'm right....that's another significant difference.....

do you have something to contradict what I have posted?....

ethanol is not enormously expensive to produce......you can make it your backyard out of your grass clippings if you want to.......and you can make it without a drop of oil.....(unless you use a gas powered lawnmower to cut your grass).......http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/

from the same site...

First of all, you get 2 to 4 times more energy from alcohol fuel than the energy it takes to produce it. But the main thing in terms of fuel vs. food is that fermenting grains and then distilling out the ethanol leaves you with a higher protein feedstock than the original grain itself: it is easier for milk cows to digest it, and the extra protein comes from the fact that nutritional yeast organisms were grown. It is sold as Distillers Dried Grains (DDG) and gets a higher price per kilo than raw grain, so this makes economic sense, too.

as well as being costly

there is currently a 45 cent subsidy on each gallon of ethanol.....spot prices on E85 on January 11, 2011 for E85 were $2.64, spot prices for gasoline on same date were $3.11.....add 45 cents to $2.64 and you have $3.09....if it is so much more costly to produce ethanol than gasoline, why is the unsubsidized price virtually the same?.....

http://e85prices.com/
http://www.kbia.org/news/ethanol-producers-anticipate-end-of-federal-subsidy

 

[apple0154]

actually, for less than $500, you can fix that problem.....

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