Polls: Support for Obamacare at all-time high

Milagro said:
I am far from being a bleeding heart but your healthcare system is not only unfit for purpose but is horrendously expensive as well.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peteru...ive-ruining-american-healthcare/#24ca9ece37b9

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Supporting single payer is one of the things that makes you one. Bleeding hearts are those that CLAIM to be sympathetic to certain causes yet go about it by supporting the government forcing others to fund programs because they lack the character to voluntarily do it themselves.

Adding to what has been posted on this thread, a bleeding heart is someone that would give you the shirt off someone else's back then act as if it came out of their closet. They're the kind that consider charity as supporting a government program by where one person that didn't earn it has it provided to them from taxes mandated on the person that did. Any social program is bleeding heart based.
 
"Supporting single payer is one of the things that makes you one." CFM #61

Thank you for helping to clarify this distinction.
And now that you have demonstrated yourself knowledgeable about it, please help me / us understand:

A conservative wants smaller less intrusive, smaller less burdensome government. Right?
That's why we want tax cuts. Right?
Less $tax revenue for government means $more for the $tax $payer. $Right?

So:
While we all KNOW nobody wants any government involvement at all with healthcare,
the horribly sad fact remains, both Democrats and Republicans are determined to stick healthcare to us anyway. Right?

on the topic of Obamacare ACA
“It will be repeal & replace. It will be essentially simultaneously. It will be various segments you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week.” President Elect Trump at his only post election victory news conference in New York 17/01/11 / FNS

So:
That being an undisputed fact, is it not the CONSERVATIVE position to get us the best possible healthcare, at the lowest possible per capita $cost?

I don't know what that is.

BUT !!

If it happens to be single-payer; then wouldn't the CONSERVATIVE position be to favor single-payer; over any other government rip-off scheme that $costs $more, and provides $less?
The following excerpted from U.S. Presidential candidate Libertarian Andre Marrou's
1992 stump speech.

"... the United States is increasingly socialistic under the Democrats & Republicans.
The Democrats are essentially left wing socialists. The Republicans are right wing
socialists. How do you define socialism? More money to government, more power to
government, more bureaucrats, and more regulations, and on and on ... .
The federal government spends 25% of the Gross National Product. State, county, and
local government spend another 22%. That's 47% of the Gross National Product of this
country being spent by the government bureaucrats primarily on themselves. That
leaves 53% in your pockets. You're the people who earn it. 47% vs 53%; how can we
get your 53% up to 90%? One and only one way, we must reduce the 47% the
government spends, down to 10%. That is the only way it can be done. Individual
Liberty is diametrically opposed to governmental power."

That my friend, is conservatism.
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sear said:
"Supporting single payer is one of the things that makes you one." CFM #61

Thank you for helping to clarify this distinction.
And now that you have demonstrated yourself knowledgeable about it, please help me / us understand:

A conservative wants smaller less intrusive, smaller less burdensome government. Right?
That's why we want tax cuts. Right?
Less $tax revenue for government means $more for the $tax $payer. $Right?

So:
While we all KNOW nobody wants any government involvement at all with healthcare,
the horribly sad fact remains, both Democrats and Republicans are determined to stick healthcare to us anyway. Right?

on the topic of Obamacare ACA
“It will be repeal & replace. It will be essentially simultaneously. It will be various segments you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week.” President Elect Trump at his only post election victory news conference in New York 17/01/11 / FNS

So:
That being an undisputed fact, is it not the CONSERVATIVE position to get us the best possible healthcare, at the lowest possible per capita $cost?

I don't know what that is.

BUT !!

If it happens to be single-payer; then wouldn't the CONSERVATIVE position be to favor single-payer; over any other government rip-off scheme that $costs $more, and provides $less?
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You ASSume it could be single payer. That's not possible. We both know ANYTHING the government does it does at a far greater cost than it can be done otherwise.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
The mandate was a republican idea that Obama adopted, BOY...

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An idea Obama insisted during the 2008 primaries was unnecessary.

He said the same thing about taxing employer provided health care.
 
Milagro said:
I am far from being a bleeding heart but your healthcare system is not only unfit for purpose but is horrendously expensive as well.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peteru...ive-ruining-american-healthcare/#24ca9ece37b9

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Many Americans, many/most claiming to be followers of the Christ don't believe, as it is written, that they are their brothers keeper & whats prob worse is they don't believe they even have a vested interest in their neighbors health....

They go to work on the subway, train, bus & sit in a cubicle sharing the air & other facilities w/ other folks, some w/ little of no care:whoa:
 
Ralph said:
What's the big deal? Obama Care is DOA...its over. You communist might as well continue to cry like someone pissed in your soup...it will do no good at this stage. If the people had wanted the social fascism of the last administration continued the election would have demonstrated it...not some last minute slinging of snot over some POLL.

The nation existed some 220+ years without it and it will continue to exist, it simply will not be existing on OP money (other peoples). Health care is not a right and the government sure as hell is not a solution to people making the wrong decisions in life. Government caused the run away prices in health care due to the insurance lobby that made simple representatives of the people....career politicians sucking at the government tit in the hog trough that is Washington DC. Now....Big Government socialism is the answer to the problem created by the same ideology? With 90 million people out of the work force another 45% living in poverty with over 40% of the population on the government dole of some type?

Not working and having others support your lifestyle is a nice living until one runs out of other peoples money. One thing is for sure....its good to have a fire wall against such communist socialism, its called the Constitution of the Untied States of America that places limits on the scope and power of a Central Government gone rogue.
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Damn right the government isn't the solution to people making the wrong decisions. In fact, what they try to do doesn't address methods for people to stop making bad decisions. All they do is tax other people in order to offset the results of those bad decisions. In other words, they force someone else to pay for another person's mistakes thinking that will somehow motivate that other person to stop making bad choices. They can't seem to figure out that if you take any responsibility away for making bad choices, there is no reason for the one making them to stop.
 
Bill said:
Many Americans, many/most claiming to be followers of the Christ don't believe, as it is written, that they are their brothers keeper & whats prob worse is they don't believe they even have a vested interest in their neighbors health....

They go to work on the subway, train, bus & sit in a cubicle sharing the air & other facilities w/ other folks, some w/ little of no care:whoa:
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You have it all wrong. I don't believe it's YOUR place to make that determination for me as to when that help should be provided. There is a difference. If you do, then you're definitely not the one to speak about the teachings of Christ as none of them say anything about you getting to decide for anyone but yourself. If you want to help someone you deem worthy and for which you claim to care, go for it. I won't tell you how to use what you have in that aspect. The problem comes in when you refuse to return the favor and think it's your place to decide for me.
 
Milagro is right that ACA is very expensive. That isn't because of ACA, though, it's because America's per-capital medical are twice as high as those of our fellow advanced democracies. TWICE as high! Our outcomes aren't as good either -- 18th in world standings. It is no secret where all those extra trillions of dollars are going either.
 
Bill Fishlore said:
Milagro is right that ACA is very expensive. That isn't because of ACA, though, it's because America's per-capital medical are twice as high as those of our fellow advanced democracies. TWICE as high! Our outcomes aren't as good either -- 18th in world standings. It is no secret where all those extra trillions of dollars are going either.
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Wasn't it supposed to reduce costs?

That's the typical leftists way. Push and push a program then when it does exactly what those that opposed it said it would do, they refuse to take the blame. Always some sort of excuse.
 
"You ASSume it could be single payer. That's not possible." CM #63

"Assume means to embrace without verification.

But Forbes reported that Canada has a government-run, single-payer health insurance system.

The assertion the U.S. can't indicates the claim is made by one that doesn't believe the U.S. is as capable as Canada.

- ridiculous -

What is perhaps equally ridiculous is all the whining Republicans have been doing about ACA, Trump boasting that he'll replace ACA with something better;
only later to confess no one knew healthcare was so complicated. Obama sure did.

Perhaps that's the -real mess- the Donald referred to his inheriting.

The U.S. is world leader in so many competitions:
- the Olympics
- strutting on the moon
- military capability

So why should the U.S. not have the lowest $cost per capita health care on Earth, at world-class standards?
 
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"Wasn't it supposed to reduce costs?
That's the typical leftists way." CM #72

So you think rightists prefer increased costs?
 
Bill said:
Many Americans, many/most claiming to be followers of the Christ don't believe, as it is written, that they are their brothers keeper & whats prob worse is they don't believe they even have a vested interest in their neighbors health....

They go to work on the subway, train, bus & sit in a cubicle sharing the air & other facilities w/ other folks, some w/ little of no care:whoa:
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This is nothing more than flat out bullshit. This might be true in liberal controlled urban sewers; but in most other parts of the USA, it is pure bullshit.

The dumbest rhetoric one can imagine is the proposition that Government is supposed to take care of people.

But then, Liberals are the dumbest and biggest liars on the planet. ;)
 
Bill Fishlore said:
Milagro is right that ACA is very expensive. That isn't because of ACA, though, it's because America's per-capital medical are twice as high as those of our fellow advanced democracies. TWICE as high! Our outcomes aren't as good either -- 18th in world standings. It is no secret where all those extra trillions of dollars are going either.
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The studies that suggest that the massively high taxation rates in nations with Government run healthcare are cheaper are pure bullshit.

But there is always the unanswered question about how Governments manage to keep costs down; THEY LIMIT THE CARE ONE CAN GET. This is why you can wait a year for a hip replacement that you can get in the US relatively quick.
 
sear said:
But Forbes reported that Canada has a government-run, single-payer health insurance system.

The assertion the U.S. can't indicates the claim is made by one that doesn't believe the U.S. is as capable as Canada.

- ridiculous -
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What is ridiculous is the notion that healthcare managed by Government is a good idea or that it Is cheap. Taxation is double that of the USA and prices for goods is nearly double....which is why someone in Canada can drive from Ottawa to New York to buy products in the USA and still save money.

Hell, Canadians are one of the major exporters of oil to the USA and prices are nearly double for a gallon of gas there.....why do you think that is?

This notion that anything is cheaper if Government mismanages it is the bullshit only the gullible and stupid among us buy into.

sear said:
What is perhaps equally ridiculous is all the whining Republicans have been doing about ACA, Trump boasting that he'll replace ACA with something better;
only later to confess no one knew healthcare was so complicated. Obama sure did.
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Dear dunce; Republicans aren't the one's whining and bitching. That's what you brain dead LibTards are doing. Hell, you morons actually think that Republicans should FIX a failed ACA they had no voice in and didn't vote for.

Screw that; elections have consequences and consider ACA DOA with a much better replacement on the horizon. Republicans who aren't on board with this should consider this their last term in office.

sear said:
....only later to confess no one knew healthcare was so complicated. Obama sure did.
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Obama didn't know anything and lied about the ACA. He didn't know the rollout would be a billion dollar fiasco....he falsely claimed you could keep your doctor.....he falsely claimed you could keep your healthcare insurance.....and then he falsely claimed it would save money.

ACA was built on the LIES that Obama bloviated over and over again like the lying Liberal Democrat that we know him to be.

sear said:
Perhaps that's the -real mess- the Donald referred to his inheriting.
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Wrong again dimwitted wonder; the mess is the economic mess, the ACA mess and the foreign policy mess Obama left us.

sear said:
The U.S. is world leader in so many competitions:
- the Olympics
- strutting on the moon
- military capability

So why should the U.S. not have the lowest $cost per capita health care on Earth, at world-class standards?
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Because the notion that a Government mismanaged healthcare system is cheaper is a massive lie that only the dumbest most gullible among us can believe.
 
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