Polls: Support for Obamacare at all-time high

I don't have the quotation handy, but I heard others discussing comments former Speaker Boehner made about Trump's repeal & replace promise.

They said Boehner said:

a) They wouldn't repeal ACA and replace it with a "better" Republican plan, so the Republicans will end up making attempted improvements to ACA instead.

b) Republicans don't agree on healthcare, and thus could not coordinate a plan as well as the Democrats did with ACA.

Those reporting this about Boehner seemed to think Boehner was certain about it.
 
"How can anyone favor a healthcare plan that uses the IRS to punish the uninsured?" G #19

I thought that had been a standard feature of Medicaid for years if not decades. Isn't participation above a certain age mandatory?
 
sear said:
"How can anyone favor a healthcare plan that uses the IRS to punish the uninsured?" G #19

I thought that had been a standard feature of Medicaid for years if not decades. Isn't participation above a certain age mandatory?
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Asperger Boy hits the nail on the head. The decision by the SCOTUS that the fine for failing to get insured is a form of tax means that collection of the tax falls to the IRS. The fact that the tax involved is for healthcare isn't significant.

Righties don't like the ACA mandate. I understand. I'm sure they don't like compulsory automobile insurance either. No American really likes compulsion and nobody enjoys paying a tax. Some things in life you just have to do. The balance with ACA is between personal preference and the need for adequate medical care for all Americans. You live in a society, you have an obligation to that society.
 
blackascoal said:
The Trump cult will just run away from threads like this.

After 7 years of screaming Obamacare .. suddenly they're mute.

They have no idea how to replace it.

Perhaps they'll replace Obamacare with the ACA.
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I have a foolproof idea. I'll provide it for me/my family and you can provide yours and that of anyone else's you personally think should have it that currently doesn't. Both of us get what we want. I have insurance and provide it to the only ones for which I am responsible and you prove that you truly care for others by using your own money to do for them what you say they deserve.

Liberals don't like that idea. It involves them having to DO something rather than claiming they care and having to do nothing but support taxpayers funding what they say they support happening.
 
Thing1 said:
If so many didn't rely on this for their life & health, it would be kind of comedic to watch Trump & the GOP right now.

Remember when they were going to repeal and replace on "Day 1"?

Just a lot of empty rhetoric, as usual.
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What's comedic is that you think people using taxpayer funded subsidies to purchase something are actually purchasing it themselves.

What's comedic is bleeding heart pieces of shit like you claim to care whether or not other have healthcare but when offered the option to provide it to them yourselves, you run like a welfare leech from a job application.
 
CFM said:
Obamacare: Something so great it had to be mandated.
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The mandate was a republican idea that Obama adopted, BOY...

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Buckly J. Ewer said:
The mandate was a republican idea that Obama adopted, BOY...

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When was the mandate done on the national level by Republicans? That's right, it wasn't.

Interesting that you say Obama adopted it. Just another example he couldn't think for himself. Had to borrow what a white MEN thought of.
 
CFM said:
When was the mandate done on the national level by Republicans? That's right, it wasn't.

Interesting that you say Obama adopted it. Just another example he couldn't think for himself. Had to borrow what a white MEN thought of.
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It was an attempt towards bipartisanship, BOY...

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...invented-the-individual-mandate/#3902af236187
 
NOVA said:
After 7 years of screaming Obamacare, especially from Trump during the entire campaign,....

TRUMP IS ELECTED...ENTIRE CONGRESS GOES REPUBLICAN.....

and you can't see a conflict with the 'poll' here ?
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trump wasn't elected by the entire country. Those that voted for him and are now protesting against losing their Obamacare should have thought of this before November 8.
 
sear said:
What raises the red flags (irony noted) is the Republican methodology:

a) Repeal ACA first: TOP PRIORITY

b) Then, later on, replace it with something -better-.

The Republicans are just full of those aggrandizing adjectives. Trump is going to "Make America Great Again". That will be some feat, as we were the greatest nation on Earth throughout the 8 year Obama administration.

The Republicans are clearly in disarray on it. I'm not sure Spicer, Ryan, McConnell etc have the same thing in mind at all.

On Obamacare ACA

“It will be repeal & replace. It will be essentially simultaneously. It will be various segments you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week.” President Elect Trump at his only post election victory news conference in New York 17/01/11 / FNS

After challenge to VP Elect Pence from Chris Wallace, Pence added:
“... you're seeing an incredible increase in premiums on Americans. Obamacare has failed. We're going to repeal it. But at the same time we're gunna pass the kind of legislation that will lower the cost of health insurance without growing the size of government. I would anticipate in the first hundred days that uh we'll deliver on that promise to the American People.” VP Elect Pence 17/01/15 on FNS

Bull
oney!

For those trying to keep score at home, the Republican strategy intended by our congressional Republican leadership is:

1) Take away ACA first, thereby driving up demand.

2) Then after the need intensifies, slip in something different.

I have no proof they will.
But if they do, I have no proof it'll be significantly better.

In any case, if they really wanted to BENEFIT the tax payer, why not implement the Republican plan, and during the overlaps, allow the citizen to decide if they want Obamacare, or Trumpcare?

You know why the Republicans aren't doing it that way as well as I do. If they did, it would expose Republicans to being bested by Obama yet once again. And they've gotten tired of that.
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Pertinent questions that are never asked Republicans, when they cite rising premiums:

After sneaking a de fund of the risk corridor program into an omnibus defense bill, how can you cite diminished providers in the exchanges as a failure of ACA? Likewise for rising premiums.

After a successful Supreme Court challenge to the cost sharing program written into ACA, which costs insurers billons, how can you cite increases in premiums as a failure of ACA?

ACA was not written in a vacuum. It was no secret that the first 5 years would see massive claims, and the govt. was ready to offset these costs until the market stabilized.

I'm always amused by Republicans who use colorful language to describe the failures of ACA, but refuse to address the reasons why.
 
NOVA said:
Like you, I'm not privy to the plan, neither were we informed of the ACA plan....
Like someone once said, you gotta pass it to find out whats in it.....

and like the architect of the federal healthcare law said a "lack of transparency" and the "stupidity of the American voter" helped Congress approve ObamaCare.
Keeping in mind that didn't get one Republican vote...
Says a lot don't it.....
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What Obama request ever got one Republican vote?
 
Bill Fishlore said:
The GOP is in a tight spot because they have made a promise that they can't keep. There is no magic plan that will keep all the things people like about ACA while repealing Obamacare. The party has tried for seven years and there are substantive reasons why it can't be done. In the end, the Obamacare repeal flap is going to be like the Social Security repeal flaps. Every time one is tried, it ends up a net loss for the GOP.

As he was with his investors in Atlantic City, Trump has cleverly left himself an escape hatch on the whole healthcare mess. He has promised to keep all the popular features of Obamacare. He has promised not to touch Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid either. If the Republican Party can come up with some politically popular changes in any of these entitlements, Trump will leap on board and claim victory for himself. If, as seems much more likely, the GOP comes up with some cockamamie plan along the lines of Dubbya's privatizing Social Security, Trump will step nimbly off the sinking ship and leave the party's fiscal conservatives to deal with the Democratic sharks on their own. No matter what happens, President Trump will be looking out for Number One.
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The problems Republicans have, is that keeping the 'popular' aspects of ACA will demand expenditures that they've already removed from the law. The premium hikes we are seeing are a direct result of their actions.

Without funding guarantees to insurance companies (no doubt, due in large part to obscene drug prices), we will continue to see premium hikes that mirror those we saw before ACA was passed.

They have no answer, because there is none.
 
Granule said:
How can anyone favor a healthcare plan that uses the IRS to punish the uninsured? I mean besides the pervert masochists holding the Democratic Party hostage?
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How could Reagan sign a law that forced hospitals to treat uninsured patients for free? If you want to remove EMTALA, then you wouldn't need a mandate.
 
I agree with you: there is no way to provide what the big majority of Americans want as a healthcare entitlement within the limits of what the Republican Party will permit as federal law. It simply can't be done.

What the party is seeking is a way out that will provide the minimum entitlement the public will accept with the minimum givebacks the GOP will tolerate. That isn't an easy formula, but it can be done, as the passage of Medicare Part D under Dubbya showed. The problem is that Trump keeps pouring gasoline on the fire with his promises to give everyone better coverage at lower cost with no exclusions and no mandates.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
It was an attempt towards bipartisanship, BOY...

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...invented-the-individual-mandate/#3902af236187
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So it wasn't done on the national level as law by the Republicans. Thanks for admitting that. You could have saved yourself some time and embarrassment by simply saying "never".
 
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