Polling Shows That On Health Costs, ObamaCare Was A Massive Failure

Arminius said:
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Your friends were deemed not expendable by the un-elected, unaccountable bureaucrats who dictate life and death. That must mean it's a good system and that other Canadians don't have to leave there to come to the U.S. to get treatment in the same decade in which they got the given condition (despite me giving examples of precisely that happening which can be independently verified).

Additionally, it's not just Britain and Canada. Just saw an Aussie on one of the medical shows my wife watches talking about how her vagina was literally falling out, and the socialist system there put her on a nine-year waiting list to get it fixed. So she went to Thailand and got it done affordably in a month on a non-socialist system.

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As you can see, they have freedom of choice: they can choose (a) to get in line for the care provided at no cost or low cost within their socialized system, or (b) they can pay out of pocket, whatever the unregulated market demands, if they happen to be rich enough to afford that. We Americans are in an identical position, only without option a. Well, that is to say, we younger Americans who aren't veterans or otherwise covered by one of America's socialized systems. Those with veteran retiree health benefits, people old enough to have Medicare, etc., are in a situation more like that of the Aussie you're talking about, where they have both options. And they jealously defend those options for themselves, even while pretending that offering them to the rest of us would somehow hurt us.
 
Oneuli said:
what the top listed political concern at the moment is depends a lot on what other problems there are at the moment. In a year with a big terrorist attack, that'll jump to the top of the list. In a year when we're in a recession, or just coming out of one, that will. If hundreds of American GIs are coming home from wars in body bags, that'll be near the top of the list. Right now, and for the last five years or so, things have been going pretty well, which cuts down on the competition for top political concerns, and allows more focus on things that would be more back-burner items in times of crisis.
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Saying that people prioritize what they care about at the moment refutes no part of the question. At the moment, skyrocketing health care costs are their top priority, because the "Affordable" Care Act isn't lowering costs at all (the only barely noticeable reductions are from undoing parts of this train wreck).

'Un' Affordable Care Act — we were warned hikes were coming

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Try again there, brainiac. :laugh:

Oneuli said:
Second, again obviously, what topics people are focused on depends a lot on what topics the media are focusing on. Some years, the media will focus a lot on, say, mass shootings, or some other trendy topic. Often that has little to do with what's actually going on, statistically. For example, illegal immigration is down in recent years -- from about 12.2 million unauthorized immigrants in 2006 to somewhere around 10.7 million now (according to the Pew Research Center). Yet immigration has crept up the list of topics people are focusing on, because nativist scaremongers have really focused on it. If Trump were to spend his days tweeting about failing infrastructure, and hyping every deadly accident that could be attributed to poor infrastructure maintenance, the media would follow suit, and infrastructure would rise on the list of things people want Congress to focus on, without any change in the situation to justify the change in priorities. Right now, there are a lot of stories about medical costs, even though they're rising more slowly than normal, so that's risen on the list of things people want Congress to focus on.
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Which again refutes no part of the assertion that costs wouldn't be the top priority if costs were being substantively reduced (or at all) by Obamacare.

Oneuli said:
As for the idea that Obamacare is "exploding" costs, that's untrue. Turns out healthcare spending has been rising considerably more slowly since Obamacare became law than in the years leading up to it:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HLTHSCPCHCSA

Now that you realize that, would you care to revise your opinion?
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Now that I realize that...insurance premiums skyrocketed much faster for years under Obamacare until Republicans came along and repealed core parts of it...will I change my opinion to "Obamacare lowered premiums?" No, because I am not a crack-smoker who is missing a chromosome. Your ludicrous interpretation is the exact opposite of what your own facts show.

Bottom Line:

More than 80% of Americans were happy with the existing system before Democrats invented an "uninsured crisis" out of thin air (using deliberately misleading statistics that included illegal immigrants [i.e., people who aren't even supposed to be here and shouldn't have insurance], young people who didn't have insurance because they didn't want it, and rich people who were uninsured because they could afford it), and then illegally took over the system and destroyed it.
 
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Oneuli said:
If you imagine me as a yapping chihuahua, that's fine. My point is made either way: you lack even the most basic skills needed to analyze this policy issue. We can fix that if you ever get over yourself enough to ask for help. Good luck!
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I see that you still have not figured out how to make a point and are still yapping like a chihuahua. :laugh:
 
LV426 said:
Obama never said it would reduce costs overall...he said it would stem the tide of rising costs so that they grow at a lower rate.

He did lower the out-of-pocket costs for many families because they qualify for subsidies.

If you want to actually lower health care costs, you have to get rid of private insurance companies first, and then you have to let the single payer bargain for cheaper drug costs.
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And this is an incredibly biased partisan source that lies for Democrats all the time. That's how much of a lie you just told. :laugh:

Dispelling Obamacare Cost Saving Myths: Obamacare did "little to nothing" about costs.

Health Premiums Have Climbed $4,865 Since Obama Promised to Cut Them $2,500

And no, hiding the obscene costs of garbage socialist health care by grouping it with taxes, and by letting people die on waiting lists, does not make anything "cheaper." It's literally just hiding how much more you're paying for so much less. And bargaining for cheaper drugs does not require a socialist system. Do you ever tell the truth?

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Arminius said:
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Dispelling Obamacare Cost Saving Myths: Obamacare did "little to nothing" about costs.

Health Premiums Have Climbed $4,865 Since Obama Promised to Cut Them $2,500

And no, hiding the obscene costs of garbage socialist health care by grouping it with taxes, and by letting people die on waiting lists, does not make anything "cheaper." It's literally just hiding how much more you're paying for so much less. And bargaining for cheaper drugs does not require a socialist system. Do you ever tell the truth?

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Least you forget...

https://www.protectourcare.org/repu...aged-your-health-care-but-they-did-it-anyway/
 
Just curious...show of hands, how many people here have been in the hospital within the last 5 years?

I'm talking extended stay.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Even though I explained WHY certain things happened regarding the ACA, you immediately begin whining about how I'm saying things that aren't true.
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Well yeah. Saying provably false things tends to provoke such "whining" about your lying. That's how that works. Welcome to adulthood. :laugh:

ZappasGuitar said:
Then you turn right around and do just what you told me not do do!

Here you are, saying things that aren't true:

Typical GOP hypocrisy.
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Newsflash: Repeating what someone said, then adding, "Huh uh!" and calling them names isn't a counterpoint. It's a grade school temper tantrum. Go lay down and let the adults speak. Typical Democrat stupidity.
 
Arminius said:
At the moment[/I], skyrocketing health care costs are their top priority, because the "Affordable" Care Act isn't lowering costs at all
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Don't you see how that's a non-sequitur? Here, maybe you'll spot your error if you just think it through a little more. Has there been any period when healthcare costs were actually falling? Answer: no. Over any significant period in the modern era, healthcare costs have always risen. Now, does that mean healthcare costs have always been the top priority on people's list? Obviously, no. Conclusion: the fact costs aren't currently falling is not sufficient explanation for why healthcare costs are current the top listed priority. See your error now?

Which again refutes no part of the assertion that costs wouldn't be the top priority if costs were being substantively reduced (or at all) by Obamacare.
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See above. Hopefully you spot your error by now.

Now that I realize that...insurance premiums skyrocketed much faster for years under Obamacare until Republicans came along and repealed core parts of it
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The key question isn't how fast insurance premiums rise, but how fast healthcare costs rise, obviously. If all we wanted to do is lower the average insurance premium, we could automatically enroll everyone in an insurance policy that costs $10 per year and has as its only benefit the distribution of one free aspirin. That would be a terrible idea and would drive up healthcare costs, but it would drive down the average insurance premium. Obviously.

...will I change my opinion to "Obamacare lowered premiums?"
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Do you imagine that someone here is arguing that Obamacare lowered premiums? If so, what made you imagine that, specifically?

More than 80% of Americans were happy with the existing system before Democrats invented an "uninsured crisis" out of thin air
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Where do you get that figure?
 
domer76 said:
Let's see, Republicans lost 300+ state legislative seats, 7 governorships, 7 state legislatures and Democrats now control over half the state attorneys general positions. Not to mention the purse strings from the US House and teir investigative power. Sucks for you, doesn't it dumbfuck? Beginning of the end for your gerrymandering bullshit.
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Which is way worse than virtually everyone else has done...hence my point (duh)...and they had to openly cheat to get that terrible result. Don't worry, you'll comprehend that doing worse than everyone else is not something to brag about eventually.

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domer76 said:
No blowback? lol Pull your head out of your ass, punk, and smell the roses. The midterms were a royal asskicking for your party. Just like the one I'm giving you, crybaby.

Your impotent Republicans are feckless. Bitch and moan, just like you, cunt, about the ACA, but can't get their shit together to propose any sort of bill themselves. Limp dick cocksuckers.

#4 - Where did I indicate any bills DON'T go through the Senate, illiterate shitstain? I'll save you time. I didn't.

Pitiable semi-literate halfwit
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Captain Lithium Imbalance strikes again! :rofl2:

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Phantasmal said:
My friends and family have no complaints, they are grateful they don’t have the large bills associated with care.
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Which might make sense if health care costs weren't low before government got involved. And they do have large medical bills...it's called more than half their income they pay in taxes for such inferior care.
 
Arminius said:
Which might make sense if health care costs weren't low before government got involved. And they do have large medical bills...it's called more than half their income they pay in taxes for such inferior care.
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Lol, what planet have you been living on? Since my adult years, healthcare costs have never been low.
 
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