Plummeting Marijuana Prices Create A Panic In Calif.

If you smoked as many joints or even half the joints per day compared to cigarettes, you might have comparable health problems. I have smoked a couple of times in the last month. Really good high grade hydroponic 2 hits and quit high as a kite. If I smoked a whole joint of this stuff I would be unable to walk for hours. I have talked to some people about vaporizers, and with them there is almost no toxins because you don't burn the marijuana at the same temp. I do not want the cigarettes companies to have anything to do with marijuana. They screwed with tobacco to make it more addictive and they will do the same with Marijuana. If states legalize they need to make it legal to possess, grow and consume so that people can, if they want, grow there own.
 
Southern Man said:
He didn't have to, since he still had plenty of legal business in Cuba, and probably Central America and Europe.
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Then what company rose out of the criminal alcohol enterprise during prohibition and then went legitimate after repeal. There might be one example, but I don't know of any.

You originally claimed that the Mexican drug cartel would benefit, not just some manufacturer.
 
Southern Man said:
So? legalization will still reward the cartels.
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This is the stupidest argument EVER. Alcohol legalization took that money out of the hands of the mob. It put it into the hands of legitimate distillers and brewers, Adolph Coors and Anhauser Busch were not bootleggers. Organized crime lost most if not all of their profits except in places where counties remained dry. Prohibition also harmed the legit businesses that existed BEFORE prohibition with only half the breweries reopening after repeal. It was stupid and it was a failure just as Marijuana prohibition has. Funny how the banners can't seem to learn from their own past.
 
So apparently the cartels are being punished by having the following.

A restricted market access
The ability to put whatever they want in their product
No way to punish them for illegal activity
A multi billion dollar market share all for themselves

Wow, that's harsh. I hope I never get it that bad.
 
RStringfield said:
Then what company rose out of the criminal alcohol enterprise during prohibition and then went legitimate after repeal. There might be one example, but I don't know of any.

You originally claimed that the Mexican drug cartel would benefit, not just some manufacturer.
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Probably many of them, but since distributors tend to be small businesses there's not a lot of readily available history that I know of.
 
Socrtease said:
This is the stupidest argument EVER. Alcohol legalization took that money out of the hands of the mob. It put it into the hands of legitimate distillers and brewers, Adolph Coors and Anhauser Busch were not bootleggers. Organized crime lost most if not all of their profits except in places where counties remained dry. Prohibition also harmed the legit businesses that existed BEFORE prohibition with only half the breweries reopening after repeal. It was stupid and it was a failure just as Marijuana prohibition has. Funny how the banners can't seem to learn from their own past.
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Alcohol manufacturing done by the mob was rot-gut and couldn't compete with legit manufacturers who were already in operation world-wide, and had the resources to expand into the US market rapidly. In contrast the drug cartels are the major players with the resources to expand into the US market rapidly while local growers are very small.
 
Southern Man said:
Probably many of them, but since distributors tend to be small businesses there's not a lot of readily available history that I know of.
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Well, then how many of these nameless organizations are still using the violent tactics that rule black markets? I would think, if any were they would be pretty easy to identify without having to consult many references.

As noted, it is possible (though I would say highly unlikely) the Mexican cartels will go legit. But they will only be able to do that by abandoning their violent business practices.

It is almost certain that some people involved in the cartels would go legit in a legal market. That's a good thing.

It is as if you think, allowing them to abandon crime and a lifestyle where they create new victims daily is some sort of reward.
 
Southern Man said:
Alcohol manufacturing done by the mob was rot-gut and couldn't compete with legit manufacturers who were already in operation world-wide, and had the resources to expand into the US market rapidly. In contrast the drug cartels are the major players with the resources to expand into the US market rapidly while local growers are very small.
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actually, think of it as micro brews....the stuff produced by local growers far exceeds the rot gut you get from drug cartels....local growers would form companies and run the drug cartels into the ground...furter, the stuff wouldn't come from other countries, but right here in the US of A regulated just like alcohol
 
there is little doubt, zero in my mind that tabacco companies would own the space. They are already buying land in the emrald triangle.
 
RStringfield said:
Ad hom. I win.

/southernman
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RStringfield said:
Well, then how many of these nameless organizations are still using the violent tactics that rule black markets? I would think, if any were they would be pretty easy to identify without having to consult many references.

As noted, it is possible (though I would say highly unlikely) the Mexican cartels will go legit. But they will only be able to do that by abandoning their violent business practices.

It is almost certain that some people involved in the cartels would go legit in a legal market. That's a good thing.

It is as if you think, allowing them to abandon crime and a lifestyle where they create new victims daily is some sort of reward.
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Dude lots of businesses thrive on use of violence, or at least threats of violence along with other unsavory or downright illegal practices. The most well known (at least for me) are the waste management and fuel delivery industries. I worked for a guy who had to pay a certain percentage of dump fees in cash, or get his trucks turned away. I knew a regulator that moved from the Bronx because he approached a gas station owner about leaking tanks and was told that if he showed up again then they'd kill him.
 
Yurt said:
actually, think of it as micro brews....the stuff produced by local growers far exceeds the rot gut you get from drug cartels....local growers would form companies and run the drug cartels into the ground...furter, the stuff wouldn't come from other countries, but right here in the US of A regulated just like alcohol
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Sure there's always going to be micro-producers, and in the case of pot lots of folks growing their own and bypassing the revenuer altogether. But the big players will still be big players.
 
Southern Man said:
Alcohol manufacturing done by the mob was rot-gut and couldn't compete with legit manufacturers who were already in operation world-wide, and had the resources to expand into the US market rapidly. In contrast the drug cartels are the major players with the resources to expand into the US market rapidly while local growers are very small.
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The Mexican drug cartles are known for dirt weed, i.e., the equivalent of rot gut.

As top has noted, there are legitimate companies that are ready to expand into the market rapidly. Further, this is not a market with a high barrier to entry, due to a need for high amounts of capital, high tech factories or any other tangible barrier. And again, the cartels capital is largely wrapped in tools needed in the black market (e.g., guns) that will be of little use to them in a legal market. The criminal enterprise are not positioned well.

It is clear that you do not have much knowledge of this market. Your predictions, are therefore highly suspect and appear to be just chosen randomly to support your position.
 
Southern Man said:
Dude lots of businesses thrive on use of violence, or at least threats of violence along with other unsavory or downright illegal practices. The most well known (at least for me) are the waste management and fuel delivery industries. I worked for a guy who had to pay a certain percentage of dump fees in cash, or get his trucks turned away. I knew a regulator that moved from the Bronx because he approached a gas station owner about leaking tanks and was told that if he showed up again then they'd kill him.
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So? Those are criminals. Are all waste management companies criminals? Is there something about garbage that turns normal law abiding people into violent thugs.

I am sure, there is some illegal activity in every industry. But we don't ban the industry, which would only turn it over to criminals. Instead we try to minimize the crime. A legal market in marijuana WILL greatly reduce crime in the market. I am sure there will still be some crime within the market, but that's just the reality of our world.
 
the article linked even supposes RJ Reynolds taking over.

Yes dirt weed demand is down, people shucking out $400 oz want hydro or quality seni grown in doors. That demand is not down at all, what you have is now mom and pop indoor growers less afraid and doing it legit to dispenseries. The schwag grown outdoors will be shipped out to poor people.
 
RStringfield said:
The Mexican drug cartles are known for dirt weed, i.e., the equivalent of rot gut.

As top has noted, there are legitimate companies that are ready to expand into the market rapidly. Further, this is not a market with a high barrier to entry, due to a need for high amounts of capital, high tech factories or any other tangible barrier. And again, the cartels capital is largely wrapped in tools needed in the black market (e.g., guns) that will be of little use to them in a legal market. The criminal enterprise are not positioned well.

It is clear that you do not have much knowledge of this market. Your predictions, are therefore highly suspect and appear to be just chosen randomly to support your position.
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Southern Man said:
Alcohol manufacturing done by the mob was rot-gut and couldn't compete with legit manufacturers who were already in operation world-wide, and had the resources to expand into the US market rapidly. In contrast the drug cartels are the major players with the resources to expand into the US market rapidly while local growers are very small.
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