Pit bull shot and killed in a neighborhood by ACO

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wiseones2cents said:
Really? Name another breed that has done more damage than a pit bull. When my friend got attacked, he reported it to the police and the police came armed with a shotgun and said he would kill it on site and that those dogs are the most vicious breed and has seen numerous cases of what the dogs have done.
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Well if the police said it it MUST be true. Except it is not. They are so much less likely to attack a human. They are not vicious unless TRAINED to be so. They are not inherently human aggressive. They are far less likely to bite than a cocker spaniel.

Breed specific legislation is opposed by the American Humane Society and the American Veterinary Association.
 
wiseones2cents said:
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Nope. I'm still treading in familiar waters. Have you ever sold any pups?

The point is out of all the breeds they ARE the most dangerous. Known fact!

If you know a more dangerous breed, please enlighten me.

I'd rather shoot an ANIMAL than risk a PERSON being mauled.

You dog lovers are too much.
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:rofl: No, you are splashing around in the kiddy pool and trying to sound like an expert. I owned one male pit, and never bred him. So no, you are way off base when you claim I must be a breeder.

This case in NC had a pit bull running loose and away from the ACO. The officer had spent less than half an hour trying to catch the dog, and she never showed any signs of aggression.

The officer then pulled out his weapon and opened fire in a residential neighborhood, with numerous kids within sight.

And your response is how dangerous the dogs are??? LMAO!
 
wiseones2cents said:
Sounds good to me. And if the dog did any damage? The owners should be charged and sued.
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So the fact that the dog showed no signs of aggression, and that the officer opened fire in a neighborhood with kids playing basketball across the street, is ok with you??

Just have them shoot dogs of a certain breed because someone you know was bitten and a cop told you they are dangerous?? I can only thank god you are not in congress.
 
Socrtease said:
Well if the police said it it MUST be true. Except it is not. They are so much less likely to attack a human. They are not vicious unless TRAINED to be so. They are not inherently human aggressive. They are far less likely to bite than a cocker spaniel.

Breed specific legislation is opposed by the American Humane Society and the American Veterinary Association.
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I am sure that the police officer with the shotgun knows better than the Humane Society and the American Veterinary Association.
 
Socrtease said:
Not true. The American Pit Bull Terrier, while bred for fighting, are some of the least human aggressive dogs around. They are less likely to bite then a whole slew of dogs. They also do better on the American Temperament Test than most other dogs, with an 85.3% pass rate. That is better than the Australian Shepherd the Beagle, Border Collie, the Cocker Spaniel and the Chow Chow just to name few. The only reason you hear about Pit Bull attacks is when they do attack a human the attack is much more damaging. But the few attacks that take place every year do not mandate a banning of the entire breed.

A fact that I am not particularly proud of some 17 years later is that I used to participate in dog fighting. If Pit Bulls were human aggressive there would be problems in the pit. Two handlers are in the pit while the dogs fight. When a dog scratched, it was the handlers job to reach in and separate the dogs and take them back to their side. The dog that scratched was then let go and if he crossed the halfway point the fight continued. Never once did a dog cross the line and go after a handler, they ALWAYS went back after the dog. IF they had gone after the handler, the fight would have been over and the dog put down. Most dogs that fought were owned by families. I saw fighting dogs come to the match in the backseat of a car with children.

The following is from the ATTS website at http://www.atts.org/temperament.html

The ATTS test focuses on and measures different aspects of temperament such as stability, shyness, aggressiveness, and friendliness as well as the dog's instinct for protectiveness towards its handler and/or self-preservation in the face of a threat. The test is designed for the betterment of all breeds of dogs and takes into consideration each breed's inherent tendencies.

The test simulates a casual walk through the park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.
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Precisely my point. You said it. THEY ARE MUCH MORE DAMAGING. Meaning people get mauled, lose appendages or even DIE from a pit bull attack.

Are you sure that is not pot your smoking in your avatar? I've been to MANY pit bull fights(Hosted by drug dealers). I've even played with many pitbulls. They are not aggressive when they are around the owners(unless you attack or threaten the owners even jokingly). When they are not around the owners and they dont know you? That is a different story.

From all the horror stories I keep hearing? There is no way I will EVER support pit bulls.

I've seen pitbulls all riled up chasing squirrels and such and then pounce on humans.
 
Socrtease said:
You know absolutely nothing about the breed. I have in the passed bred them. They are loyal, friendly dogs. They are known as the clown of the dog world. While harder to train for things like obedience and agility, one trained they don't forget.

Pits are inherently much more animal aggressive than human aggressive. They were bred for fighting Bulls and Bears at first and then when Bull and Bear baiting was outlawed, the dogs were bred to fight one another. Most people who own Pits are NOT drug dealers, if that were the case there would definitely be a drug dealer problem. Most pits bread for sale to the public today contain no game lines in their pedigree unless you go back 5 or 6 generations.

If Pit Bulls were banned the guys that misuse the bread would turn to breeds like Rottweilers, Brasilleros, Pressa Canarios etc. The breed choice of assholes would just change.
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I know that they were bred for aggression. It is their instinct.

ummmm there is a drug dealer problem.

I know many people that are switching to Rottis and they are no where near as bad as pit bulls. When was the last time a rotti mauled a kid?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Precisely my point. You said it. THEY ARE MUCH MORE DAMAGING. Meaning people get mauled, lose appendages or even DIE from a pit bull attack.

Are you sure that is not pot your smoking in your avatar? I've been to MANY pit bull fights(Hosted by drug dealers). I've even played with many pitbulls. They are not aggressive when they are around the owners(unless you attack or threaten the owners even jokingly). When they are not around the owners and they dont know you? That is a different story.

From all the horror stories I keep hearing? There is no way I will EVER support pit bulls.

I've seen pitbulls all riled up chasing squirrels and such and then pounce on humans.
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Did you know that in most states, even attending a dog fight is against the law? Pit Bulls are not very good guard dogs. If they are aggressive towards humans when their owners are not around, then they are aggressive towards humans when they are around. Besides Pit Bulls I have also bred and trained German Shepherd dogs. Pit Bulls are HORRIBLE at the kind of protection work Shepherds are trained for. They do not have the discrimination that Shepherds have. They can be decent yard dogs but then they have to be put up all the time when other people are around. If they were good at protection work, they would be trained for Schutzhund and French Ring Sport but they are not. They do not take commands well, and they are as likely to play with the bad guy as bite him.
 
WinterBorn said:
:rofl: No, you are splashing around in the kiddy pool and trying to sound like an expert. I owned one male pit, and never bred him. So no, you are way off base when you claim I must be a breeder.

This case in NC had a pit bull running loose and away from the ACO. The officer had spent less than half an hour trying to catch the dog, and she never showed any signs of aggression.

The officer then pulled out his weapon and opened fire in a residential neighborhood, with numerous kids within sight.

And your response is how dangerous the dogs are??? LMAO!
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Again. You dog lover's are making it seem like children were in any danger by the cop's fire arm. :rolleyes: lol

The cop had to make a judgement call and he picked the safety of the community. Since these dogs have a bad reputation. Simple as that.
 
Socrtease said:
Vets didn't list them as anything. Pets Do did. They say nothing about the breeds and what makes them dangerous and why they are where they are on the list. There is no context for this list.
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Did you read the article? Let me refresh your memory.

After in depth research and analyzing the studies performed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States, we have compiled the top ten most dangerous dog breeds.

The point is that it is the most dangerous breed.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Again. You dog lover's are making it seem like children were in any danger by the cop's fire arm. :rolleyes: lol

The cop had to make a judgement call and he picked the safety of the community. Since these dogs have a bad reputation. Simple as that.
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The cop fired his gun at a moving animal in a residential area. Kids were playing basketball across the street! You're damned right I am saying children were in danger. There is absolutely no way you can say otherwise.

The cop made a judgement call based on his own laziness and callous attitude. His killed a family pet that showed absolutely no signs of aggression and was running away scared.

Dog lover? I have owned dogs my entire life. I do love my dogs. And I see that this entire thing has become a witch-hunt based on a tiny minority portion of the breed that have been mistreated or abused.

But this dog was no danger to anyone, and the cop had no reason to think otherwise. The fact that this ACO had not completed the training needed to qualify with a tranquilizer gun, but somehow thought he was allowed to discharge his firearm in a neighborhood (when no one was in any danger) is an absolute travesty.
 
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wiseones2cents said:
I know that they were bred for aggression. It is their instinct.

ummmm there is a drug dealer problem.

I know many people that are switching to Rottis and they are no where near as bad as pit bulls. When was the last time a rotti mauled a kid?
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Actually Rottweilers are number two on the list behind Pit Bulls. The list can be found at http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf

I have never shied away from the fact that when Pits bite they bite well and are very damaging. This list is ONLY dogs bites that cause bodily harm, maiming and death. It does not relate to the number of overall reported dog bites.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Did you read the article? Let me refresh your memory.

After in depth research and analyzing the studies performed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States, we have compiled the top ten most dangerous dog breeds.

The point is that it is the most dangerous breed.
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"After in depth research and analyzing the studies performed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States, we have compiled the top ten most dangerous dog breeds."


They compiled the list, not any of the associations they listed.

Also, they do not show the research. And who identified the dogs in all these incidents as pit bulls? According to what I have read in several places, pit bulls are misidentified by animal control officer and civilians alike.
 
It is insane to try to defend the killing of an animal simply because of its breed. The guy "admits" that the animal wasn't even aggressive, there was not even close to just cause to start to let the bullets fly. What is wrong with us that some people would even get close to defending this idiot?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Again. You dog lover's are making it seem like children were in any danger by the cop's fire arm. :rolleyes: lol

The cop had to make a judgement call and he picked the safety of the community. Since these dogs have a bad reputation. Simple as that.
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Point of order: FBI statistics indicate that one in every ten officer involved shootings (when a cop shoots his/her gun) kills or seriously injures a innocent by standard.
 
Socrtease said:
Actually Rottweilers are number two on the list behind Pit Bulls. The list can be found at http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf

I have never shied away from the fact that when Pits bite they bite well and are very damaging. This list is ONLY dogs bites that cause bodily harm, maiming and death. It does not relate to the number of overall reported dog bites.
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I disagree with their overall assessment of Wolf/Shepard mixes.

When my kids were younger, we had one and the trick is making sure that they understand who's in charge.
My hyprid knew from the beginning, when he was a put, that I and my wife were the Alphas, the kids were next in line, and he was the low man on the totem pole.

Best family dog we ever had.
He used to be in the front yard and when he heard the back door open, for the kids to go and hang up the clothes from the washer, he would go to the back yard, lay down, watch them until they were done and went back in the house, and then he would go back and lay in the front yard.
He would do this all day long.
I never worried with him being around my kids, not did I have to worry about anyone coming close to them.
 
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