Pelosi doesnt want you to know killing Russian military leaders and sinking Moskva

Cypress said:
Up until February 24 there was never the slightest indication Ukraine had the slightest interest in ever attacking Russia.

You and Putin have now ensured that Ukrainians will hate Russia with a burning passion for many generations to come.

In short, you and Putin just turned Ukraine into a hostile country burning with eternal hatred for Russia.
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so now you are joining ME at the hip with Putin?
Find a post where I support the invasion of Ukraine -you won't -although I supported the LDNR recogniton

and a "hostile" Ukraine doesn't mean it's going to attack Russia- basic geopolitics holds Ukraine as a buffer state as enshrined in the Budapest Memorandum. That went out the door when when fomented revolution at the Euromaidan

I remind you of the civil war in Donbas -these are Ukrainians that are so hostile to Kyiv's pro-west shift
and the Euromaidan revolution they themselves (Uk citizens) went to war against Kyiv

If eastern Ukraine itself is hostile to Kyiv- what do you think Putin rightly feels?
 
anatta said:
ROFL.
so Ukraine is not at war against Russia? you are beyond stupid
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If Ukraine was not attacked, it would not be fighting a war. Russia decided to have this war, and to continue this war.

There has been repeated attempts to give Russia an "offramp".
 
anatta said:
we dont do declared wars. we did 1 AUMF for Iraq and that is still being over-used for various ops
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We do authorizations for use of military force. Not only has their been no authorizations of military force, there has been no American use of military force. There might be one or two individual American civilians fighting and dying in Ukraine, but there are no American forces in Ukraine.
 
anatta said:
so now you are joining ME at the hip with Putin?
Find a post where I support the invasion of Ukraine -you won't -although I supported the LDNR recogniton

and a "hostile" Ukraine doesn't mean it's going to attack Russia- basic geopolitics holds Ukraine as a buffer state as enshrined in the Budapest Memorandum. That went out the door when when fomented revolution at the Euromaidan

I remind you of the civil war in Donbas -these are Ukrainians that are so hostile to Kyiv's pro-west shift
and the Euromaidan revolution they themselves (Uk citizens) went to war against Kyiv

If eastern Ukraine itself is hostile to Kyiv- what do you think Putin rightly feels?
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Your posting history on this and other European topics is relentlessly pro-Putin, and you just seem to have given off a whiff of disappointment that the Ukranian armed forces were able to hold their own, and in some cases repulse the Invaders

Ukraine is an independent, sovereign state which has the right to decide for itself what relationships it wants with which European countries, irrespective of what some Soviet and American diplomats supposedly might have said 30 years ago back in the 20th century.
 
anatta said:
flashed annoyance at reports this week claiming the United States provided intelligence to Ukrainian military forces to assist them in killing Russian military leaders and sinking the flagship Moskva in the Black Sea, both of which elicited denials from the Pentagon.

As a person involved in intelligence for more than 25 years in the Congress, the first person in the leadership to have a security credential, I am very concerned about newspapers reporting if I don't confirm or deny what that report is — but I don't think it's helpful to have that kind of reporting," Pelosi told Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC's Deadline: White House.

"I say that with all of the respect in the world, and I protected the rights of — of the press to be protected when they put information out there, that the burden of proof has to be on the government to prove them harmful in any event," she added. "But I don't think it's helpful to say — whether it's true or not, I can't confirm. But what I do know, it's not helpful."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/pelosi-slams-media-for-reports-on-us-intelligence
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As a troll, you should lay off the tabloid type fiction and reflect on the reality of it all that completely contradicts your un-American and intellectually incompetent bs.
 
Cypress said:
Your posting history on this and other European topics is relentlessly pro-Putin, and you just seem to have given off a whiff of disappointment that the Ukranian armed forces were able to hold their own, and in some cases repulse the Invaders

Ukraine is an independent, sovereign state which has the right to decide for itself what relationships it wants with which European countries, irrespective of what some Soviet and American diplomats supposedly might have said 30 years ago back in the 20th century.
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Pre-war Putin had a good case to take the LDNR - and honestly I thought that would be a way to end the war in Donbas as well as give Putin his buffer

I dont sayy this because i am pro-Putin,but because I thought considering how NATO
had made Ukraine intolerable instead of a buffer state it was the way to long term peace as well

As I said though I never supported the invasion, and the siege of the cities which was all Putin could do because Ukraine had become armed and trained by NATO
But if you are asking me to condemn the invasion, consider it done.

Now about this war with Russia we drifted (or manipulated) into.......
 
Walt said:
If Ukraine was not attacked, it would not be fighting a war. Russia decided to have this war, and to continue this war.

There has been repeated attempts to give Russia an "offramp".
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there havent been any serious talks much less negotiated "off ramps"
you waste my time
 
anatta said:
there havent been any serious talks much less negotiated "off ramps"
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Russia could take an offramp without any talking whatsoever. Putin is not willing to take serious an offramp, so there has not been serious talks.
 
anatta said:
why does the Kremlin need to read it in the media?
Pelosi doesnt say anything about "sources and methods" we all know the basics of using our sophisticated drones and spy satellites to target Russians

she's only concerned about you finding out we are the one's doing the warring against Russia
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She's saying we don't need to rub it in their noses. She's correct.
 
anatta said:
Pre-war Putin had a good case to take the LDNR - and honestly I thought that would be a way to end the war in Donbas as well as give Putin his buffer

I dont sayy this because i am pro-Putin,but because I thought considering how NATO
had made Ukraine intolerable instead of a buffer state it was the way to long term peace as well

As I said though I never supported the invasion, and the siege of the cities which was all Putin could do because Ukraine had become armed and trained by NATO
But if you are asking me to condemn the invasion, consider it done.

Now about this war with Russia we drifted (or manipulated) into.......
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Unless LDNR was just a case of naked Russian imperialism (it was, obviously) the solution was careful and painstaking negotiations for some form of semi-autonomy for Crimea and those easten provinces.

Quebec and Scotland were able to painstakingly carve out quasi-independence and autonomy for themselves, without anyone having to invade Canada or the UK.
 
Cypress said:
Unless LDNR was just a case of naked Russian imperialism (it was, obviously) the solution was careful and painstaking negotiations for some form of semi-autonomy for Crimea and those easten provinces.

Quebec and Scotland were able to painstakingly carve out quasi-independence and autonomy for themselves, without anyone having to invade Canada or the UK.
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couldnt do it because sevastopol was critical, and even after the new lease access was threatened
the war in Donbas started because their guy was dumped at teh Euromaidan
 
ExpressLane said:
The UN secretary tried to talk with him.
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Yes. Almost everyone has tried to talk to Putin. There are some peace negotiations going on, but the Russian negotiators are junior staff, and do not seem to even know what they are doing there.

When Putin wants to end this war, he will end it. Until then, the war goes on.
 
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