Our Gun Rights

j-mac said:
boob
1    /bub/ Show Spelled [boob] Show IPA Slang .
noun
1.
a stupid person; fool; dunce.
2.
British . a blunder; mistake.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/boob

I'd say both apply to you perfectly.
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You may well be right... a novelty for you, I'm sure. But at least I do not go about in fear of my life and neither does anyoneI know. It really must be most uncomfortable to have to look behind you all the time, in fear of your life, to say nothing of the stiff neck you must suffer from.
Oh its nearly lunchtime and you bore me. Cheerio.
 
Lowaicue said:
You may well be right... a novelty for you, I'm sure. But at least I do not go about in fear of my life and neither does anyoneI know. It really must be most uncomfortable to have to look behind you all the time, in fear of your life, to say nothing of the stiff neck you must suffer from.
Oh its nearly lunchtime and you bore me. Cheerio.
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So says the coward, as he sits behind his gatted community.
 
Lowaicue said:
You may well be right... a novelty for you, I'm sure. But at least I do not go about in fear of my life and neither does anyoneI know. It really must be most uncomfortable to have to look behind you all the time, in fear of your life, to say nothing of the stiff neck you must suffer from.
Oh its nearly lunchtime and you bore me. Cheerio.
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What the hell kind of logic do you use to figure people with guns are in fear of any damn thing?
 
Dixie said:
What the hell kind of logic do you use to figure people with guns are in fear of any damn thing?
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I use the logic that says, 'I have a gun to protect me.' Which translated can only mean that 'I believe that I will be in danger without a gun'. While there are people who seek out danger for the rush it gives them, I very much doubt that the cowards who need great arsenals in their own homes fit into this category.
Of course I might be wrong. It might be that, far from being frightened, these people just like killing things and that they are really, despite evidence to the contrary, quite sane individuals. But then how would I know? Those are feelings that I have never really experienced.
 
Lowaicue said:
I use the logic that says, 'I have a gun to protect me.' Which translated can only mean that 'I believe that I will be in danger without a gun'. While there are people who seek out danger for the rush it gives them, I very much doubt that the cowards who need great arsenals in their own homes fit into this category.
Of course I might be wrong. It might be that, far from being frightened, these people just like killing things and that they are really, despite evidence to the contrary, quite sane individuals. But then how would I know? Those are feelings that I have never really experienced.
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What I find the strangest thing to equate is, on the one hand people saying America is the finest country in the world yet advocate that everybody should be able to carry weapons because there are so many violent people around. I would suggest that a truly great country would have no need of weapons in the first place.
 
Dixie said:
What the hell kind of logic do you use to figure people with guns are in fear of any damn thing?
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I use the logic that says, 'I have a gun to protect me.' Which translated can only mean that 'I believe that I will be in danger without a gun'. While there are people who seek out danger for the rush it gives them, I very much doubt that the cowards who need great arsenals in their own homes fit into this category.
Of course I might be wrong. It might be that, far from being frightened, these people just like killing things and that they are really, despite evidence to the contrary, quite sane individuals. But then how would I know? Those are feelings that I have never really experienced.
 
WinterBorn said:
(Originally Posted by Dixie) Ah... that explains a lot, actually. Seems I am the subject of a pinhead boycott! I wondered, because normally whenever my threads go without response, it's because I have nailed some brilliant altruistic point that simply can't be argued rationally. With all the anti-gun talk lately, it seemed unlikely to be the case with this thread.

Hey it's okay pinheads, go ahead and TRY to ignore my threads and not respond... greater pinheads than you have tried and failed. It's futile, really.

Oh, and whoever is sending out the boycott messages, can you please instruct Howey and Bijou to stop responding to every post I make, it is annoying to have to scroll past the ignored user tables when I am trying to read responses. Thanks!
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I hate to spoil your paranoia, but you were not the subject of the Pm I received. The suggestion was to stop arguing with the liberals.
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I think I just heard a big "POP" as if a giant balloon busted.

I hope Dx is OK. :lol:
 
Lowaicue said:
I use the logic that says, 'I have a gun to protect me.' Which translated can only mean that 'I believe that I will be in danger without a gun'. While there are people who seek out danger for the rush it gives them, I very much doubt that the cowards who need great arsenals in their own homes fit into this category.
Of course I might be wrong. It might be that, far from being frightened, these people just like killing things and that they are really, despite evidence to the contrary, quite sane individuals. But then how would I know? Those are feelings that I have never really experienced.
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Translated? By who, you? Someone who's always lived in a gun-free society? So you base your psychological evaluations on your perception of things, then proceed to call people "cowards" and make your point? Then you leap to the admission that you really don't know, it could also be that sane people just like to kill things. You are amazingly stupid, even for a Brit.

I do believe that I would be in danger without a gun, in a society with guns. I have the Constitutional right to have a gun, and a right to protect my life with it. I have a moral obligation to protect my family as well. I have guns precisely so I don't live in fear. I would be far more fearful without them. Your logic FAILS.
 
Dixie said:
Translated? By who, you? Someone who's always lived in a gun-free society? So you base your psychological evaluations on your perception of things, then proceed to call people "cowards" and make your point? Then you leap to the admission that you really don't know, it could also be that sane people just like to kill things. You are amazingly stupid, even for a Brit.

I do believe that I would be in danger without a gun, in a society with guns. I have the Constitutional right to have a gun, and a right to protect my life with it. I have a moral obligation to protect my family as well. I have guns precisely so I don't live in fear. I would be far more fearful without them. Your logic FAILS.
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It is hardly a good selling point for a country if you can only live there and be safe by having weapons.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
It is hardly a good selling point for a country if you can only live there and be safe by having weapons.
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I don't know, I am 52 years young, and have never had to use my weapon to defend myself. Of all my family, friends and acquaintances, I am not aware of them ever having to shoot someone, with the exception of friends in law enforcement. Now, I know I'm not 'everybody' and you can't judge by just my experience, but you'd think if lawless gun use were rampant, I would have seen some indication of it in my lifetime, through my personal experience. I haven't seen this. For the most part, Americans are law-abiding and peaceable citizens, and don't go around blowing each other away like Dirty Harry.
 
Dixie said:
I don't know, I am 52 years young, and have never had to use my weapon to defend myself. Of all my family, friends and acquaintances, I am not aware of them ever having to shoot someone, with the exception of friends in law enforcement. Now, I know I'm not 'everybody' and you can't judge by just my experience, but you'd think if lawless gun use were rampant, I would have seen some indication of it in my lifetime, through my personal experience. I haven't seen this. For the most part, Americans are law-abiding and peaceable citizens, and don't go around blowing each other away like Dirty Harry.
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In which case you obviously haven't been paying attention and don't know your history.
 
Lowaicue said:
I use the logic that says, 'I have a gun to protect me.' Which translated can only mean that 'I believe that I will be in danger without a gun'.
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Flawed logic = Logical fallacy.

While there are people who seek out danger for the rush it gives them, I very much doubt that the cowards who need great arsenals in their own homes fit into this category.
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Again Low, and I'll type slow so that hopefully you can catch on this time...NO ONE is forcing upon you the purchase of a gun. In short the right, my right to own a gun, is not a mandate that you buy one...Now let's flip the argument a little shall we?

Let's say, that much like in Switzerland, you as an able bodied male were ordered to own and keep in good order, an automatic weapon with basic amounts of ammunition. At that point hypothetically, we would be arguing how you must own a weapon proscribed by law. Then you might have an argument based on your obvious dislike of guns. (even though your disdain is focused on a tool. It would be like me skinning my knuckles with a ratchet drive wrench, and being anti wrench.) But, as it stands, the 2nd amendment was written in a day where the military of the time was armed with musket, single shot long rifles, and the founders of this nation saw it necessary to maintain a free state, that the citizenry, be able to posses the same weaponry. Not because we live in over the shoulder fear of daily criminal assault, but rather to keep the balance of freedom.

Of course I might be wrong.
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Of that you can be certain.

It might be that, far from being frightened, these people just like killing things and that they are really, despite evidence to the contrary, quite sane individuals.
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You set up a false dichotomy between pathologically blood thirsty, or fear paralyzed individuals, also known as a logical fallacy.

But then how would I know?
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You wouldn't. But then again based on the sanctimoniousness of your argument against private ownership of guns, I would wager that in your own judgmental mind you have no real proclivity to rational thought on the matter.

Those are feelings that I have never really experienced.
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Good for you. I can assure you sir, as a gun owner, and a CWP holder, I neither walk around in fear, nor do I posses any of the attributes that you ascribe in your misguided rebuke of me.
 
Dixie said:
I don't know, I am 52 years young, and have never had to use my weapon to defend myself. Of all my family, friends and acquaintances, I am not aware of them ever having to shoot someone, with the exception of friends in law enforcement. Now, I know I'm not 'everybody' and you can't judge by just my experience, but you'd think if lawless gun use were rampant, I would have seen some indication of it in my lifetime, through my personal experience. I haven't seen this. For the most part, Americans are law-abiding and peaceable citizens, and don't go around blowing each other away like Dirty Harry.
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So you don't actually need a gun at all!
 
j-mac said:
Flawed logic = Logical fallacy.

Let's say, that much like in Switzerland, you as an able bodied male were ordered to own and keep in good order, an automatic weapon with basic amounts of ammunition.
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Talk about flawed logic. Switzerland has no military. Thus, the requirement for gun ownership. They have a true militia, unlike the crazies in our country.
 
Howey said:
Talk about flawed logic. Switzerland has no military. Thus, the requirement for gun ownership. They have a true militia, unlike the crazies in our country.
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Regardless of the existence of a military or lack thereof, the law there exists. On the existence of a Swiss military, you are absolutely dead wrong on that...They not only have a military, but compulsory service.

Military of Switzerland
Armee CH logo.svg
Service branches Land Forces, Air Force
Leadership
President of Switzerland Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf
Minister of Defense Swiss Federal Councilor Ueli Maurer
Chief of staff Lt Gen André Blattmann
Manpower
Military age 19 years of age for male compulsory military service; 18 years of age for voluntary male and female military service;
Conscription 19-34 years of age obligatorily
36 for subaltern officers, 52 for staff officers and higher
Available for
military service 1,852,580 males, age 16–49 (2009 est.),
1,807,667 females, age 16–49 (2009 est.)
Fit for
military service 1,510,259 males, age 16–49 (2009 est.),
1,475,993 females, age 16–49 (2009 est.)
Reaching military
age annually 48,076 males (2009 est.),
44,049 females (2009 est.)
Active personnel 134,886[1]
Reserve personnel 77,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland
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Lowaicue said:
I use the logic that says, 'I have a gun to protect me.' Which translated can only mean that 'I believe that I will be in danger without a gun'. While there are people who seek out danger for the rush it gives them, I very much doubt that the cowards who need great arsenals in their own homes fit into this category.
Of course I might be wrong. It might be that, far from being frightened, these people just like killing things and that they are really, despite evidence to the contrary, quite sane individuals. But then how would I know? Those are feelings that I have never really experienced.
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I repeat, those that go around oblivious to the need to be able to protect ones self in the event of an attack are not courageous, but ignorant. doubly ignorant for having the idiocy of mind to call people who ARE prepared to defend themselves as 'cowards living in fear'.
 
j-mac said:
On the existence of a Swiss military, you are absolutely dead wrong on that...They not only have a military, but compulsory service.
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lol...you really are this stupid! From your (groan) Wiki link:

The Military of Switzerland perform the roles of Switzerland's militia and regular army. Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent of military personnel; the rest are male citizen conscripts 19 to 34 (in some cases up to 50) years old.
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The total of active duty military in Switzerland is a little over 22,000. Think of them as "caretakers". :)
 
Howey said:
lol...you really are this stupid! From your (groan) Wiki link:



The total of active duty military in Switzerland is a little over 22,000. Think of them as "caretakers". :)
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You are calling him stupid? Excuse me? You just showed that Switzerland has over 22,000 peole serving in a military that you claimed didn't exist, and you are calling him stupid? lol Amazing.
 
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