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Guille said:
I don't give a fuck. They are businesses, deal with them or don't but don't step to me and claim that you've got any right at all to dictate content. If you don't like what they're doing then don't fucking log in anymore. It's that simple. And legion is a fucking hypocrite preaching freedom on one hand and tyranny on the other.
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I don't like monopolies of any kind, why would you?
 
Primavera said:
I don't like monopolies of any kind, why would you?
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They aren't monopolies. 90% of the Internet is dark. You people are getting worked up over two sites who are only on 10% of the Internet.

Not to mention the fact...again...that you have the option to not log in.
 
Guille said:
They aren't monopolies. 90% of the Internet is dark. You people are getting worked up over two sites who are only on 10% of the Internet.

Not to mention the fact...again...that you have the option to not log in.
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They are dark for particular reasons, mostly nefarious I might add.
 
Legion said:
iu



Back when Parler was first taking off, I warned that its app-based dependency meant that two companies, Apple and Google, can eliminate it anytime they like.

It was only a matter of time.

The transition from desktops and laptops to Android and IOS devices mean that users are operating in a walled garden run by two very lefty companies. Those companies can do with the garden what they please. Those users who choose to jailbreak their devices have more options, but most don't. Conservatives can try to distribute the knowledge more widely and encourage that kind of self-empowerment. But the bottom line is most smartphone, Kindle, Chromebook, etc users want a simple device that just works and runs all the apps in the app store. Doing anything more complicated would be inconvenient.

People also tend to get their smartphones from one of the handful of remaining providers, e.g. the big three, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile. You may think you're not using one of those companies, but even then you're probably using one of their branded providers or a small company that's using their services.

That means 5 companies essentially control the mobile ecosystem and can shut down an app like Parler anytime they please. They can also, if they please, shut down access to any site accessed through their browsers. They can also ban any browser from their app store or device that doesn't shut down access to these sites.

There are potential workarounds, but they all involve escalating levels of difficulty.

And since the trend has moved away from any kind of independent user agency and toward crippled 'smart' devices, that's the battle going forward.

Don't get the idea that desktops and laptops are safe.

Microsoft is 'evolving' toward a walled garden of apps. Redmond being incompetent, it's messed up multiple opportunities to do so, notably Windows 8, which was a complete disaster. The PC is really only free because Microsoft is incompetent. But Microsoft wants to take a percent from every app installed. And at some point it's going to shove that into Windows 10 in another update while deliberately breaking Windows 7 under the guise of some sort of urgent emergency threat.

The internet service providers are also narrowing down to a smaller group that's only going to get smaller which would make it possible for a handful of telecoms to likewise block access to particular sites. There are a lot more workarounds for that scenario, but every workaround limits the potential audience and ghettoizes conservatives.

The conservative movement in the past few years embraced Section 230 abolition. As I warned in the past, threatening to abolish Section 230 is a good form of leverage, but would accomplish very little once it's done, except reward some rivals like Disney. Antitrust breakups, which the DOJ and Republican states were pushing for, would have done far more. But considering the events of the past few months, that's a lot less likely to happen. Instead, look for Google and the rest of the boys to "negotiate" a settlement that will see them moving millions into DEMOCRAT and lefty groups in exchange for promising not to misbehave. Win-win, as they say.

I've laid out the scale of the digital iron curtain only in part. I haven't even gotten to the problem of services like cloudfront and similar services, and how they can be used to curtail competition. I previously discussed why it's so hard to launch a rival search engine (there are only two actual search engines, Google and Microsoft's Bing. DuckDuckGo is cute, but just allows you to search Bing without Microsoft seeing your searches.)

Nor have I even touched on the role played by advertising and payment solutions. Control those and no conservative site is going to be profitable. Meanwhile lefty sites can be awash in cash. It's not just the internet obviously.

Antitrust action is a partial answer. It's the biggest one to date. The only other answers are to work around the restrictions, to be rats in the walls, a challenging prospect that will limit the potential audience, or to re-imagine the internet, an even more challenging concept. There are some ideas there, but they'll have to wait for another time.

This is a big problem. It might even be the biggest problem.

The problem isn't just that Facebook, Twitter, or Google are biased against conservatives. The problem is that the internet is controlled by an increasingly small interconnected network of companies who can act in concert to suppress anyone or anything they don't like. You can't just walk in and 'compete' with a trust. In the last decade, the DEMOCRATS, the media, and Big Tech assembled a rationale, e.g. disinformation, Russian interference, for heavily censoring the internet.

Conservatives were slow to grasp the scale of the threat, to react to it, and to build a plan to fight it. That plan still isn't fully there. And there's only so much time.




https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2021/01/parler-and-problem-escaping-internet-censorship-daniel-greenfield/
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What's this about jailbreaking phones? I want one.
 
AProudLefty said:
There are a lot of information there. People can share forbidden information without fear, like Assange.
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They can do that on Telegram, WhatsApp or Line to name but three. I've had a look around a few times, don't want to buy drugs, hire hitmen or meet psychos, there are enough of them on here.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I have been saying for awhile that JPP is almost certainly Dead, that the Revolution will not allow such a free mind spot to exist. Judging by the actions of the Tech Overlords today death day will be sooner rather than later.
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No- JPP does an excellent job in providing a platform for Rightist wing-nuts... all of whom, no doubt, are checked by the security services, deemed to be keyboard warrior wankers and allowed to continue in the interests of psychological studies related to teenage erectile dysfunction .
 
Legion said:
iu



Back when Parler was first taking off, I warned that its app-based dependency meant that two companies, Apple and Google, can eliminate it anytime they like.

It was only a matter of time.

The transition from desktops and laptops to Android and IOS devices mean that users are operating in a walled garden run by two very lefty companies. Those companies can do with the garden what they please. Those users who choose to jailbreak their devices have more options, but most don't. Conservatives can try to distribute the knowledge more widely and encourage that kind of self-empowerment. But the bottom line is most smartphone, Kindle, Chromebook, etc users want a simple device that just works and runs all the apps in the app store. Doing anything more complicated would be inconvenient.

People also tend to get their smartphones from one of the handful of remaining providers, e.g. the big three, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile. You may think you're not using one of those companies, but even then you're probably using one of their branded providers or a small company that's using their services.

That means 5 companies essentially control the mobile ecosystem and can shut down an app like Parler anytime they please. They can also, if they please, shut down access to any site accessed through their browsers. They can also ban any browser from their app store or device that doesn't shut down access to these sites.

There are potential workarounds, but they all involve escalating levels of difficulty.

And since the trend has moved away from any kind of independent user agency and toward crippled 'smart' devices, that's the battle going forward.

Don't get the idea that desktops and laptops are safe.

Microsoft is 'evolving' toward a walled garden of apps. Redmond being incompetent, it's messed up multiple opportunities to do so, notably Windows 8, which was a complete disaster. The PC is really only free because Microsoft is incompetent. But Microsoft wants to take a percent from every app installed. And at some point it's going to shove that into Windows 10 in another update while deliberately breaking Windows 7 under the guise of some sort of urgent emergency threat.

The internet service providers are also narrowing down to a smaller group that's only going to get smaller which would make it possible for a handful of telecoms to likewise block access to particular sites. There are a lot more workarounds for that scenario, but every workaround limits the potential audience and ghettoizes conservatives.

The conservative movement in the past few years embraced Section 230 abolition. As I warned in the past, threatening to abolish Section 230 is a good form of leverage, but would accomplish very little once it's done, except reward some rivals like Disney. Antitrust breakups, which the DOJ and Republican states were pushing for, would have done far more. But considering the events of the past few months, that's a lot less likely to happen. Instead, look for Google and the rest of the boys to "negotiate" a settlement that will see them moving millions into DEMOCRAT and lefty groups in exchange for promising not to misbehave. Win-win, as they say.

I've laid out the scale of the digital iron curtain only in part. I haven't even gotten to the problem of services like cloudfront and similar services, and how they can be used to curtail competition. I previously discussed why it's so hard to launch a rival search engine (there are only two actual search engines, Google and Microsoft's Bing. DuckDuckGo is cute, but just allows you to search Bing without Microsoft seeing your searches.)

Nor have I even touched on the role played by advertising and payment solutions. Control those and no conservative site is going to be profitable. Meanwhile lefty sites can be awash in cash. It's not just the internet obviously.

Antitrust action is a partial answer. It's the biggest one to date. The only other answers are to work around the restrictions, to be rats in the walls, a challenging prospect that will limit the potential audience, or to re-imagine the internet, an even more challenging concept. There are some ideas there, but they'll have to wait for another time.

This is a big problem. It might even be the biggest problem.

The problem isn't just that Facebook, Twitter, or Google are biased against conservatives. The problem is that the internet is controlled by an increasingly small interconnected network of companies who can act in concert to suppress anyone or anything they don't like. You can't just walk in and 'compete' with a trust. In the last decade, the DEMOCRATS, the media, and Big Tech assembled a rationale, e.g. disinformation, Russian interference, for heavily censoring the internet.

Conservatives were slow to grasp the scale of the threat, to react to it, and to build a plan to fight it. That plan still isn't fully there. And there's only so much time.




https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2021/01/parler-and-problem-escaping-internet-censorship-daniel-greenfield/
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screw you, paranoid clown. no one is being banned or ignored for right wing views or spewing dumbass republican policies as if they made sense and lying about how supply side economics helps anybody but the rich and destroys the deficit. but spewing conspiracy theories that could affect human lives, like masks don't work or the virus doesn't kill that many people, is dangerous, in their view, and needs to be tagged as questionable. it is their store, they built it, they get to decide. just like if a store has a policy of no shoes, no shirt, no service you have to abide by that. quit being such a silly ass crybaby. if you can.
 
Guille said:
I don't give a fuck. They are businesses, deal with them or don't but don't step to me and claim that you've got any right at all to dictate content. If you don't like what they're doing then don't fucking log in anymore. It's that simple. And legion is a fucking hypocrite preaching freedom on one hand and tyranny on the other.
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I get the argument about government interfering with private businesses. I also get that there are alternative work arounds to Google but these are too arcane for the vast majority of the public to utilize to any effect. Not everyone is a tech geek and can [or even has the time to learn how] to set up a dark web site or etc.

The problem is these monopolies are monopolizing the free exchange of information—and that has been going on for years. What’s worse is they took the next step very recently: when the Lap Top from Hell story broke back in October, Big Tech and the Democrat media *colluded* together and shut it down, literally, in order to protect Biden.

And it worked, I saw one poll which found that up to 15% of Biden voters—wouldn’t have voted for Biden had they been aware of the story. Those kind of numbers can easily swing an election.

That may not rise to the level of the legal definition of censorship—but in practical terms it is what it is. And it gets worse: they engaged in literal propaganda by calling the story “Russian disinformation” which turned out to be an utter fabrication. They did this on purpose—they knew exactly what they were doing. The only reason they did it was because they knew they would get away with it.

And they did. Arcane tech work arounds and technical legal arguments aside, the practical result of this is half the country only gets to hear half the story or an ‘approved version’ of it. In short, they have become lemmings.

And this has become pervasive across all social media. When I open up FB I get told what to think ‘about the election’. Select facts are labeled ‘disputed’ as if 95% of ‘facts’ can’t be disputed. It’s straight out of Orwell and our democracy won’t survive it for long.

Are you saying there is nothing that can be done about this?
 
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