Only in Alabama!

ThatOwlWoman said:
Exactly. If already-born children are so "precious," we wouldn't have constant battles from the fascist RW about funding social safety net programs, public education, health care, housing, and so on. Instead, their policy subtext is "You sluts open your legs (or petri dish), you'll pay the price."
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Exactly the Trumper contradiction that should be pointed out to all American voters.

Also, it supports the reason why Trumpers favor fearmongering as a political tool to push voters to vote for them. E.g. "Sure we aren't funding your schools, but we're stopping the brown people from coming over! Build the Wall! Build the Wall!"

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...man-dressed-as-border-wall-on-stage-at-rally/
Trump calls man dressed as border wall on stage at rally
https://twitter.com/x/status/1130618083729707008
 
Doc Dutch said:
That's a very Western view of patriarchy, meaning it's more cultural than genetic. When the Bible was canonized, the books accepted as "truth" by the Council of Nicaea were the ones that pushed a pro-male agenda and eliminated the contribution of women, specifically Mary Magdalene. That was Fourth Century. The West has pushed this same paradigm of male control for the past 1700+ years.

Comparing the roles of men and women cross-culturally shows a consistent pattern of shared power with each sex providing their part of a Yin-Yang relationship.
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Good analysis.

I would diverge a little by saying that patriarchy was well established worldwide well before Christianity. There is nothing about ancient china, Rome, Greece, Persia, or the civilizations of Mesopotamia that suggest anything approaching gender equality.

There is a certain admirable value for human life that was found in the Christian and Rabbinic Jewish traditions. But when MAGAs love the death penalty but hate reproductive choice, you basically know their abortion extremism isn't about the value of life
 
Cypress said:
Good analysis.

I would diverge a little by saying that patriarchy was well established worldwide well before Christianity. There is nothing about ancient china, Rome, Greece, Persia, or the civilizations of Mesopotamia that suggest anything approaching gender equality.

There is a certain admirable value for human life that was found in the Christian and Rabbinic Jewish traditions. But when MAGAs love the death penalty but hate reproductive choice, you basically know their abortion extremism isn't about the value of life
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What about ancient Egypt, where women were rulers too?
 
Walt said:
Embryos can be single cells. The embryos we are talking about are about 10-20 undifferentiated cells. You kill more cells walking across the room.

And if they are people, then everything should be done to save them. Most of them die in nature, so we should spend billions on saving them.




By definition, frozen embryos do not develop over time. They are frozen. That is both literally and figuratively frozen. You cannot freeze humans, but there is no problems freezing a few human cells.
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It’s not “if they are people,” they are people, Walter and if you kill them, you can be prosecuted.

Poor Walter.
 
Cypress said:
Good analysis.

I would diverge a little by saying that patriarchy was well established worldwide well before Christianity. There is nothing about ancient china, Rome, Greece, Persia, or the civilizations of Mesopotamia that suggest anything approaching gender equality.

There is a certain admirable value for human life that was found in the Christian and Rabbinic Jewish traditions. But when MAGAs love the death penalty but hate reproductive choice, you basically know their abortion extremism isn't about the value of life
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human life in the womb have not committed murder, People that receive the death penalty have, so you are making a false equivalency
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
What about ancient Egypt, where women were rulers too?
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good point

Seven female pharaohs in three thousand years of ancient imperial Egyptian history is better than the record of ancient China or India, but it is still pretty lopsided towards the male gender.
 
Cypress said:
good point

Seven female pharaohs in three thousand years of ancient imperial Egyptian history is better than the record of ancient China or India, but it is still pretty lopsided towards the male gender.
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Good point, too. In modern times, I think it's execrable that even Pakistan has had a female leader before we've managed to do it here.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Good point, too. In modern times, I think it's execrable that even Pakistan has had a female leader before we've managed to do it here.
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England and tsarist Russia had some very famous female monarchs.

But that has all to do with bloodlines and heredity. I never saw it as evidence of a more benign patriarchy.
 
Port Tack said:
So now the right wants to try and convince us that those frozen embryos in petri dishes are babies too?



Is the right afraid they are going to win the upcoming election so they are doing everything in their power to lose?
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Every Conservative will always be the biggest, dumbest fucking piece of shit until the next one comes along.
 
ExpressLane said:
human life in the womb have not committed murder, People that receive the death penalty have, so you are making a false equivalency
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According to Xtian doctrine, "human life in the womb" is already tainted -- and then born -- with original sin clinging to it. If you don't accept Jesus and His dying for your sins, according to the very same doctrine, you are as guilty as a murderer or other sinner, and will go straight to Hell. Even if you're stillborn, even if you die right after birth because your mama was on drugs or was shot by a 2A gun-humper, or even if she died from a massive infection and took you with her because she didn't have health care.

According to Alabama doctrine, if you are a microscopic bit of tissue in a frozen state, you're a human being. With a coating of original sin but no chance to do anything about that.

Maybe you religionists should rethink this whole thing?
 
Cypress said:
England and tsarist Russia had some very famous female monarchs.

But that has all to do with bloodlines and heredity. I never saw it as evidence of a more benign patriarchy.
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Certainly it was not for non-royal women. The royal women didn't have it so great either. Being forced to marry for political reasons rather than choice?
 
Key words: Wrongful death...thousands of people in other states have sued when frozen embryos were negligently...or wrongfully...destroyed...and they are denied the opportunity to begin or add to a family...
Nothing different to see here but extreme political meltdowns...
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, most of the Cult are old fucks like us. That being said, they are still a minority. A very loud, crazy minority, but we sane geezers still outnumber them, don't you think?
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Yes. The main problem is twofold: 1) getting them to vote, which they do compared to the 20somethings and 2) negating the fearmongering through education...since, as TOP proves, many are poorly educated.
 
Cypress said:
Capital punishment has killed, and will kill innocent people.

No legitimate Christian could support that system.
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Agreed. I have no problem killing people who are a threat but not at risk of killing an innocent. Even if the chance is 0.0001%, it is wrong.

Besides, locking them up on a box is both cheaper and more punishing. Death is easy.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's also the result of Republicans hopping into bed with the Evangelicals in order to get and maintain power. If voters distrust science, maybe they will return to the Xtian god, they think. I grew up in an enclave of scientists. During the Cold War years, Republicans strongly supported scientific R&D, and willingly funded public schools, particularly in math and science. But now? See for yourself:

Americans’ Trust in Scientists, Positive Views of Science Continue to Decline

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A sad-but-true fact that helps explain why the United States of America is failing to lead the rest of the world in science.
 
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