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So it doesn't exist?
Oh did you know GM halted production of the Volt again?
Of course you ate the idiot who thinks producing something for $89,000 and selling it for $49,000 is a winning business model
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So it doesn't exist?
Oh did you know GM halted production of the Volt again?
Of course you ate the idiot who thinks producing something for $89,000 and selling it for $49,000 is a winning business model
Not particularly, in my mind you first need to increase demand, they didn't sell enough to even support their limited production. Losing money on each as well as simply there being no demand for the vehicles caused them to idle the plant that makes them.
Reality: this isn't a good business model, even if you really really want it to be very very badly, even if you want it so badly you can taste it.
If you want people to buy them, you have to make them not suck. People will stand in line to buy a good electric car, even one that is expensive. Ask Tesla, theirs is a good business model. They make a product that is very cool and that people actually want to buy.
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I watched some YouTube videos of people taking Tesla Model S test drives. I lust in my heart for one of those.
But you are absolutely right about the difference in teh business models. People are paying $5k deposits and waiting for months for their Teslas.
When enough people have driven volts, the demand will increase. They are still in the research and development phase. Do not say the volt isn't a good car without having driven one. Many products/businesses lose money until they become profitable.
The main reason the volt is in the situation it is in is simply because Bush eliminated the increase in CAFE standards enacted by the Clintons as one of his first orders of business. He set the electric car program back by a decade with that one single act, which was clearly the intention. Don't try to blame this situation on the volt's designers, it is simply not true. The volt is an extremely elegant concept. Like every other product produced on the planet, the price is high initially and will fall as sales increase. Your bullshit about them sucking, and other more ignorant and less informed negative opinions being spouted all about the internet are not helpful
Of which the top 10% pay almost 80% of......you can't be stupid enough to imagine they can pay for everything an still invest and be the reason we
have any jobs at all.....well, maybe you can.
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that is bullshit about bush setting electric cars back a decade. the fact is, chevy's first electric car did not SELL WELL (yes, poety intended). that is just a simple fact you can't ignore rune.
i'm always amazed at how skewed your world view is.
Furthermore, since I am on the subject, Bush's other extremely arogant brazenly pro-oil company move of making SUVs qualify for the same tax break as trucks receve, combined with raising the CAFE standards were the main reasons the automotive industry collapsed. The car makers were caught with their pants down when oil reached 140 a barrel, lots of giant gas guszzelling SUVs with no buyers, and not enough efficient cars to sell.
People who can afford the most expensive Porches. Apples to oranges.
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good lord. the car industry didn't collapse because of oil prices. where in the world do you get your information from? the car industry, like the rest of the economy went south with the housing market.
They aren't the reason we have any jobs. Mitt pays 13%. You really think if he was paying 28% he wouldn't invest any of his money?
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rune?
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He wouldnt have to invest any of his money - the government would invest that extra 15% in things that the country ACTUALLY needs, instead of things that just make Mitt Romney richer (or in off shore accounts and moving companies overseas). I'd rathe the government have that extra 15% and invest in in AMERICA than ROmney have it and invest it off shore....DUH
OBAMA LOVES US ALL!
HAIL OBAMA!
OBAMA LOVES US ALL!
HAIL OBAMA!
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i win again...rune runs away
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so rune reads my posts...can't actually debate my posts...so he just claims i'm lying with some video.
why don't you try words rune, i rarely watch videos. explain in your own words what i lied about and how i'm wrong.
or are you just scared to have an actual discussion with me about the issues and simply feel brave enough to only ad hom?
discuss this with me rune.
why don't you try words rune, i rarely watch videos. explain in your own words what i lied about and how i'm wrong.
or are you just scared to have an actual discussion with me about the issues and simply feel brave enough to only ad hom?
discuss this with me rune.
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apparently rune is more interested in making substantive posts like the below instead of discussing a passion (electric or alternative energy cars) that we share
Bush set electric cars bak 10 years, on purpose, because he and Cheney are both in the oil business, the same way Mitt forced all Mass residents to buy health insurance because he was in the health insurance business. The videos I posted provided ample proof. The victims of this malfeasense are all humans worldwide, and for Damo to blame this on the GM designers is exactly the type of republicanism Nigel was talking about.
You sound like you designed it and I'm somehow "insulting" you personally. You make many assumptions, and most of them are bad assumptions.
I have driven one, it was interesting but not the superior vehicle worth the money they'd have to make on it. As I said, Tesla designed and produced a vehicle on which they make a profit, it is expensive, but they made it worth it. People line up to buy them, not so with the Volt and the idea that everybody has to drive one before they'll like them is silly. People like Corvettes, not because everybody has driven it, but because they are frickin' cool. People like the Tesla and want one because it is frickin' awesome.
If you want to make a car that everybody wants to buy you have to make it not suck. And that is from somebody who absolutely has driven one, and found it wanting for my purposes.
More reality: they couldn't sell enough of them to make money, that is a bad business model even if you pretend that it isn't. This is with tax incentives, and the company selling at a loss. They did the right thing idling that plant, they need to retool and do better or this grape will die on the vine.