one mllion electric cars

[Disillusioned]

Wow, math is not your forte. I would have to be a 1%er myself to pay even 10% of what Mitt pays. I do OK, but I am not nearly in the top 1% of income earners in the country. My point is that I pay over half of what I earn to the government, while Mitt pays ridicuoulsly less. You do realize that Mitt released one year of his taxes, right?
Furthermore, you are good with 1% of the population earning 50% of the income? You don't want them to earn 50% of the income? Make more money for yourself. The amount of money that can be made isn't divided up into portions and given away. There are these things called businesses. These are the tax codes that have been developed over the process of decades, now the democrats have suddenly decided that they need more money and that if they attack the "evil bourgeoisie" they can get the envious behind them.



Again with the retard math. Why am I wasting my time talking to you?

What position am I in to take exception to anything somebody else earns? This is the heart of the matter and it's like talking to a wall. The entire concept of ownership is embedded in the idea that what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours. What right do I have at all to say, "You earn way too much"?

Oh and the name calling? Really ruins the argument. I mean I could do it too, I could say that your mother was a whore with aids who crapped you out on a public toilet and forgot to flush. But I wouldn't pretend that it actually enhanced my position.

 

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I mean I could do it too, I could say that your mother was a whore with aids who crapped you out on a public toilet and forgot to flush. But I wouldn't pretend that it actually enhanced my position.

Maybe, but it would be pretty close to being accurate don't you think?

 

[Disillusioned]

How would it be better if we took all his money? How is that logical?

You do realize that Democrats are far more fiscally conservative than republicans, right?

Do you have ANY valid points at all, or just untrue GOP talking points (lies) to spread about?

I've seen Obama's latest add where he promised to make sure "no family had to set aside a college tuition letter because they couldn't pay". How precisely is that fiscally conservative? How is it conservative to try to pay for the healthcare of a country of 300 million when we can't cover our current bills?

My point about all his money is that you said it would be better for america if he payed 28% rather than 13%. You didn't justify the increase of over 107%. You just thought it would be cool to double the taxes.

 

[Damocles]

You could set something back a hundred years in one minute as your friend delusional pointed out. In fact that is the entire tragedy of the eight years of Bush, the damage he did to the county as a whole will likely outlive him. Most of us are sadly well aware of this fact.

Until Bush raised the CAFE standards and opened the floodgates of SUVs, the Volt was supposed to be released in 2004. Research did indeed stop at GM. Research on the Volt only started again after the gas shock of mid-Bush. Deny reality all you want.




No, the electric car did not go from nothing to reality. WTF. Ever heard of the EV1? GM already had a production electric car. Bush's fantasy hydrogen cell economy litterally caused GM to kill the EV1. Yes, Bush . killed. the. EV1. If you don't know recent history, at least watch the vids I posted, or butt out of the conversation.

The EV1 was rubbish, even more so than the Volt. Again, we already know that the electric car wasn't stopped by Bush, a successful company built one that is awesome. You can continue to repeat what your video says, but it doesn't change the actual reality; one of the best new things out there came into being despite your assumption that GM simply couldn't even try anymore because Bush liked Hydrogen cells.

Seriously, that excuse is tired in almost every way, From President Crybaby who paid for the job with nearly a billion, to people who for some reason act like they invented that mismanaged Volt. Bush didn't stop innovation, it happened even though you think it couldn't.

Not only did it happen, it created something awesome that people actually want. Only one of your predictions is right, those electric cars will continue to get cheaper (Tesla sells some at around $50,000 now), however it isn't GM that will present the cost effective electric car, it will be a company that developed it during the period you say it couldn't have been developed.

 

[Rune]

Stop lying. You do not pay half of what you earn to the federal gobblement in income taxes. If you do, then you don't know how to do your taxes. I am fine with 1% of the population earning 50% of income. What do you propose? Taking it from them?

Show where I said the federal government.

I don't care if you are fine with devastating wealth inequality and no, I have never suggested "Taking it from them".

 

[Rune]

You claim to be an engineer, but you obviously didn't go to business school. If you build something for $89,000 and sell it for $49,000 you aren't going to be in business long. Even if you built something people want, which they haven't with the Volt.

If you want to buy a tuna can for a car, god bless. I don't give two shits. But stop lecturing the rest of us and pretending to know what our driving habits are. You central planners ALWAYS get it wrong

How do I know? It is called math. The average driver in the US drives less than 40 miles per day. The Volt has a 40 mile range. As to yellowstone, if any ICE car can go there, so can a Volt, and for just as long. The Volt has a standard range, about 340 miles total, without refueling or recharging. Trip to Sam's Club, yes the Volt has a trunk. Carpooling 3 kids, yes, the Volt seats four adults comfortably. Driving in snow, same as any other car, except wheels have nearly perfect 50/50 weight balance.

You don't have to listen to my lecture, especially since I am not here to preach alternative energy to the close minded, but I am here to preach alternative energy. You are free to ignore my posts and remain ignorant if you choose.

 

[Disillusioned]

Show where I said the federal government.

I don't care if you are fine with devastating wealth inequality and no, I have never suggested "Taking it from them".

You asked if I was fine with 1% having 50%. Obviously you cared about the answer. As for your suggestion, what else were you implying?

Your logic was:
It's not Ok that 1% has 50%.
Therefore something should be done.


Now since nobody need be involved in you making money and spreading it around, the other way to get rid of the !% having 50% is to remove it from their possession. There's no other logical end to your thought process.

 

[Rune]

I've seen Obama's latest add where he promised to make sure "no family had to set aside a college tuition letter because they couldn't pay". How precisely is that fiscally conservative? How is it conservative to try to pay for the healthcare of a country of 300 million when we can't cover our current bills?

My point about all his money is that you said it would be better for america if he payed 28% rather than 13%. You didn't justify the increase of over 107%. You just thought it would be cool to double the taxes.

You think a less educated population is fiscally conservative?
You think lowering the administrative cost of healthcare by 24% during a time of alarming growth in the cost of healthcare is not fiscally conservative?
You think it is fiscally conservative to treat the uninsured (at tax payer cost) in hospital emergency rooms rather than walk in clinics?
You think prevention is less fiscally conservative than cure?

I don't have to justify in "increase". You have to justify the disparity between 15% capitals gains and 28% earned. I have no interest in doubling his taxes, I just want him to pay the same rate I have to pay. I pay 15% on my income that Mitt doesn't pay at all in self-employment tax, in addition to my 107% higher tax bracket, nevermind my property taxes etc. that bring me to over 50%. All those same taxes and fees combined don't even eat up another 1% of Mitt's income.
Really, get a few facts together and we will talk. GOP talking points are not facts.

 

[Rune]

You asked if I was fine with 1% having 50%. Obviously you cared about the answer. As for your suggestion, what else were you implying?

Your logic was:
It's not Ok that 1% has 50%.
Therefore something should be done.


Now since nobody need be involved in you making money and spreading it around, the other way to get rid of the !% having 50% is to remove it from their possession. There's no other logical end to your thought process.

"your logic was" ? Really? How on earth could you possibly know what someone else's logic was?

You don't have the foggiest clue what my or anyone else's logic is. You can only know what your own logic is.

Interesting. Damo frequently makes the same leap of thinking he knows what someone else is thinking. What kind of brain defect does the conservative mind suffer that it could convince itself of it's own omniscience?

As to the income disparity,
1. Show where I said or implied something must be done.
2. Please do enough research to understand that the democratic process breaks down then dies in a society with too great an income desparity, a situation we happen to be in the midst of at this very moment. We near the tipping point quickly.

 

[Rune]

You asked if I was fine with 1% having 50%. Obviously you cared about the answer. As for your suggestion, what else were you implying?




Now since nobody need be involved in you making money and spreading it around, the other way to get rid of the !% having 50% is to remove it from their possession. There's no other logical end to your thought process.

No, there are infinite other logical ends to my thought process. That you can only come up with ONE (1) posibility is simply perfect proof of the very severe limits of your mind. No wonder your viewpoints are so concrete and incorrect. FYI, the one logical end you assumed I desire is the one which never even enter's my contemplation

 

[Rune]

The EV1 was rubbish, even more so than the Volt.

Opinion, unsubstantiated, contrary to known facts on both counts.

Again, know that the electric car wasn't stopped by Bush

Saying it over and over don't make it so. I can show you articles in science magazines from the 1950s decribing hydrogen fuel cells in common use just a few short years from, as is still the case. We already have viable electric cars. Under the Clinton's CAFE standards the manufacture of some electric cars would be needed
by the car companies in order to average their zero tailpipe emmisions with the rest of the fleet and meet the fleet average.

Availabilty would have engendered market acceptance and expansion. Bush pushed this stage way into the future with his insistence on a switch to a non-existent technology.


it happened even though you think it couldn't.

Sorry, you don't know what I think and you usualy guess wrong. Go with the words I type instead of your assumptions please.



Not only did it happen, it created something awesome that people actually want.

Lots of people want them, very, very few can afford them.





during the period you say it couldn't have been developed

Please show where I said it couldn't have been developed.

 

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Show where I said the federal government.

I don't care if you are fine with devastating wealth inequality and no, I have never suggested "Taking it from them".

Well, you are bitching about Romney's federal taxes you dumb twat. You don't know what he pays in sales tax, state tax etc. Your gripe is with his Federal isn't it? What is your effective rate when all is said and done? Oh I know, you won't "divulge" it here because it would blow up your entire argument. I can guarendamntee your effective federal rate is not above 20%. No fucking way it is.

As for the other taxes you pay, what are you bitching about? You want roads, clean water, blah blah blah fuckin blah. Romney pays all those taxes too. Maybe if you spent less time bitching on a message board you could make more money

EPIC FAIL!!

 

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"your logic was" ? Really? How on earth could you possibly know what someone else's logic was?

You don't have the foggiest clue what my or anyone else's logic is. You can only know what your own logic is.

Interesting. Damo frequently makes the same leap of thinking he knows what someone else is thinking. What kind of brain defect does the conservative mind suffer that it could convince itself of it's own omniscience?

As to the income disparity,
1. Show where I said or implied something must be done.
2. Please do enough research to understand that the democratic process breaks down then dies in a society with too great an income desparity, a situation we happen to be in the midst of at this very moment. We near the tipping point quickly.

You keep saying you don't want something done, yet you keep implying that it is a problem. So are you just going to bitch about people having more than you? Here is a thought experiment for your dumb ass.

Supposed you could take every single dollar in the United States and divide it by EVERY single, man woman and child in the country and give them an equal share. Wouldn't that be grand? Nobody would have more than another. A virtual fucking socialist utopia. You can see libtards on this board masturbating to the vision.

So now that you have "equalized" the income, what do you think will happen?

Some will start a business. Some will gamble it away. Some will buy drugs. Some will do nothing. In the end there will be income disparity. Hell, there is income disparity in your utopia of Cuba which is a socialist paradise. But, you don't complain about that.

Stop your bitching and work harder

 

[Rune]

What position am I in to take exception to anything somebody else earns? This is the heart of the matter and it's like talking to a wall. The entire concept of ownership is embedded in the idea that what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours. What right do I have at all to say, "You earn way too much"?

Oh and the name calling? Really ruins the argument. I mean I could do it too, I could say that your mother was a whore with aids who crapped you out on a public toilet and forgot to flush. But I wouldn't pretend that it actually enhanced my position.

1. Never said "you earn way too much". Stop putting words in my mouth please.
The problem is that too many earn way too little.

2. Didn't call you names. Read my post again if you must.

 

[Rune]

Well, you are bitching about Romney's federal taxes you dumb twat. You don't know what he pays in sales tax, state tax etc. Your gripe is with his Federal isn't it? What is your effective rate when all is said and done? Oh I know, you won't "divulge" it here because it would blow up your entire argument. I can guarendamntee your effective federal rate is not above 20%. No fucking way it is.

As for the other taxes you pay, what are you bitching about? You want roads, clean water, blah blah blah fuckin blah. Romney pays all those taxes too. Maybe if you spent less time bitching on a message board you could make more money

EPIC FAIL!!

Again, show where I said federal taxes only. I didn't.
I did indeed say my tax rate, lo and behold you are wrong again. Try to pay attention, save us all some time.

I am not bitching about me paying taxes. I am bitching about others who pay much less taxes, as a percentage of their income. This will be my last clarifying post to you. Read my words, they indicate what I actually mean.

 

[Rune]

You keep saying you don't want something done, yet you keep implying that it is a problem. So are you just going to bitch about people having more than you? Here is a thought experiment for your dumb ass.

Supposed you could take every single dollar in the United States and divide it by EVERY single, man woman and child in the country and give them an equal share. Wouldn't that be grand? Nobody would have more than another. A virtual fucking socialist utopia. You can see libtards on this board masturbating to the vision.

So now that you have "equalized" the income, what do you think will happen?

Some will start a business. Some will gamble it away. Some will buy drugs. Some will do nothing. In the end there will be income disparity. Hell, there is income disparity in your utopia of Cuba which is a socialist paradise. But, you don't complain about that.

Stop your bitching and work harder

Again, I never suggested anything like that, and no, I seriously don't that any other libs feel that way either. Please stop injecting your ignorance into the conversation. Thankyou.

 

[Rune]

I can guarendamntee your effective federal rate is not above 20%. No fucking way it is.

Really idiot? You know how much income I net every year?
I am a successful artist. My work is in homes and buildings all over New England and New York, Manhattan and the Hamptons, and even Washington DC.

I hardly want to destroy the 1%, since they make up my entire client base. I just want labor to be paid fairly.

I will be happy to PM a link to my website if you wish, but it is private info and the rules here are very strict about releasing other's private info.
If you feel you can trust yourself not to reveal my private info, let me know.

 

[Damocles]

The EV1 was rubbish, even more so than the Volt.

Opinion, unsubstantiated, contrary to known facts on both counts.

Opinion, substantiated, fully in line with known facts on both counts.

Again, know that the electric car wasn't stopped by Bush

Saying it over and over don't make it so. I can show you articles in science magazines from the 1950s decribing hydrogen fuel cells in common use just a few short years from, as is still the case. We already have viable electric cars. Under the Clinton's CAFE standards the manufacture of some electric cars would be needed
by the car companies in order to average their zero tailpipe emmisions with the rest of the fleet and meet the fleet average.

Yes, but actually pointing out a company started during his tenure that successfully created and sold electric cars pretty much shuts down any idea that the electric car was "set back by a decade" under Bush. It's nonsense. A successful electric car came into being during Bush's terms, that isn't a setback.

Availabilty would have engendered market acceptance and expansion. Bush pushed this stage way into the future with his insistence on a switch to a non-existent technology.

Like a viable solar without substantial government subsidy? Interesting.

it happened even though you think it couldn't.

Sorry, you don't know what I think and you usualy guess wrong. Go with the words I type instead of your assumptions please.



Not only did it happen, it created something awesome that people actually want.

Lots of people want them, very, very few can afford them.

Yet earlier you stated that as GM starts making more it will change. Tell me why you believe that the direct evidence that they are getting cheaper under Tesla means that they will never be able to afford them?

One more time. Newer versions of Tesla cars are down to around $50K, and that is while still making a profit and under limited production. GM instead lost $49,000 per car with actually higher production. Their business model sucked, and the car itself sucked. People didn't want it because it, literally, wasn't as good as it should have been.

during the period you say it couldn't have been developed

Please show where I said it couldn't have been developed.

Telling me it was "set back by a decade" tells me that actually developing a car during that period would be impossible. Nobody had an electric vehicle with viability, it can only be set back by continuing that. The fact is it wasn't set back, the only thing "set back" was government subsidy of the production. Instead a company did it without as much support as you think they should have had.

It's stupid to say that because the government liked hydro cells that nobody could continue working on an electric car so it was set back, then ignore the actual history. A viable electric car was created during that period of supposed "setback", that company continues to make money and now has cars that sell at about the same price as the Volt, but people actually want them and the company doesn't lose $49,000 per car sold. One company had a successful plan and business model the other, not so much.

 

[Callinectes]

Are you really this ignorant?

Generating plants idle during the nightime, since the vast majority of electricity is used during the day.
Electric cars are charged at night, when they are not being driven.

This is actually very helpful to the electric companies, since it cost nearly as much to idle a plant, as to run it.

We have plenty of generating capacity for the forseeable future, with more coming on line every day (many plants are idle during the daytime too, peak usage occurs on just a few of the very hottest days of the year).

Every electric cars contibutes to a "smart grid".

I don't think that was the point. Why have electric cars at all? Is it to save on fossil fuels? What fuel do you plan on burning to generate the power that is now going to come from a grid that is operating 24/7 instead of during "peak use". So now, you have the cost of operating a plant 24/7(which you admit is only slightly more expensive than letting the plants idle during off-peak hours)plus the cost of fuel. I don't care how "smart" the grid is, if you increase output, you consume more raw materials, thereby increasing demand for those resources, which increases prices to consumers.

 

[Damocles]

I don't think that was the point. Why have electric cars at all? Is it to save on fossil fuels? What fuel do you plan on burning to generate the power that is now going to come from a grid that is operating 24/7 instead of during "peak use". So now, you have the cost of operating a plant 24/7(which you admit is only slightly more expensive than letting the plants idle during off-peak hours)plus the cost of fuel. I don't care how "smart" the grid is, if you increase output, you consume more raw materials, thereby increasing demand for those resources, which increases prices to consumers.

Because the Tesla is frickin' cool. And they limited it in speed by making a 2 gear transmission. You can get far faster vehicles with better efficiency using their design. That is awesome.