Oklahoma teacher protest

leaningright said:
The only thing we might disagree on is how to determine who is the best teacher. I do agree that those who show growth deserve compensation suitable to that growth, but how to determine if that growth is happening is sometimes a very hard thing to do.
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maybe if we pay teachers enough it will become easier to measure
 
Thing1 said:
Not sure who is paying attention to this, but it's tough to watch what some of these teachers have to do just to make ends meet. Many work multiple jobs. The salaries they have talked about our incomprehensibly low to me...often just above the poverty line.

OK ranks 49th in teacher pay, but it's not like it's that great in most states.

What does it say about America that we put such a low priority on compensating this profession? I actually can't think of too many professions that I would consider to be more important. It makes no sense, and is a poor investment in our future.
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Yet we spend more per capita on education than most nations. So we need a hard look at where the money is going.
 
leaningright said:
The only thing we might disagree on is how to determine who is the best teacher. I do agree that those who show growth deserve compensation suitable to that growth, but how to determine if that growth is happening is sometimes a very hard thing to do.
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I made reference to that in an earlier post exactly what you said that the determination is not an easy one to make. And I am definitely not smart enough to create one.
 
Cypress said:
Dostoyevsky said you can judge the civilization of a society by looking into its prisons...but I think that can be amended to add a society can be judged on how it values it's teachers.

I do not think respect for teachers in the United States is very high. The lack of respect obviously translates to some degree to salary. Not many people encourage their kids to be teachers. I actually cannot think of any adult I know who actively talks up teaching and encourage their kids to pursue it.

Conservative dogma attacks public education year in and year out, decade after decade. I know over the years there have been discussions on the board in which the rightwing in particular, held public education and teachers in low esteem.

We live in a materialistic society that places enormous value on status, wealth, and the trappings of power. The pursuit of money and profit are often held to be the pinnacle of human achievement. Look at Trump - a lifetime pursuing money, prestige, wealth, and materialism. Does he seem like the type of guy that would hold teachers in high esteem?

I have a niece who loves being a teacher, but is thinking about getting out of it because it is almost impossible the make ends meet. I do not think it speaks well to our society that a prison guard or a Pentagon contractor could make a reasonably comfortable living, while a lot of teachers can't. I do not think super-charged, self-interested capitalism of the kind that exists in this country is completely to blame. But the lack of respect for teaching as a career and teachers in particular has to have at least something to do with how this country worships the kind of super-charged materialism, profiteering, and militarism seen on Wall Street, the Pentagon, and throughout the bastions of the existing economic hierarchy of this society.
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More fucking nonsense from the little leg humper. Just more baseless accusations about 'right wingers'. Time for you to go back to leg humping and leave the adult conversations to the adults.
 
Rune said:
I remember the day I called our local small town school superintendent.

I wrote down the time and day of the call.

I am still waiting for the return phone call, 10 years later I am thinking she may not call anytime soon.

Her salary is more than any five teachers...her value to me, nada.
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I think we need to cut down the number of administrative jobs. We have far too many superintendents positions and the staff in their offices. That money would be better suited to the teachers. The waste, in my opinion, comes largely in this form.
 
It is clear we are, as a society, more interested in buying toys then investing in our future.
 
Superfreak said:
I think we need to cut down the number of administrative jobs. We have far too many superintendents positions and the staff in their offices. That money would be better suited to the teachers. The waste, in my opinion, comes largely in this form.
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Entirely agree.
One school I dealt with, The Principal had clear brain damage.
I discussed it with the Superintendent who agreed but let him work anyway.
They both should have been fired.
 
cawacko said:
If everything I'm saying is a non-sequitur then I don't know what you are arguing. Teachers are paid based on their years of service. Private industry doesn't do that. The best teacher makes the same as the worst teacher if they have worked the same number of years. Private industry doesn't do that. There is no economic incentive for top people to become educators.
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You're points are non-sequiturs because they aren't relevent to the question I asked you. Why not do what corporation do and offer compensation and work condition packages that will attract top talent? Isn't that what Steve Jobs did at Apple? Your "Da Unions won't allow it!" isn't relevant to my question nor is the starting pay for low skilled entry level workers. It's simply an evasion of the question I have asked you.

I mean why not? If you offer top tier employment packages don't Unions become mooted? Won't you attract better qualified, talented, knowledgeable and skilled professionals?

You're also evading my other points of addressing the root issues in how money is wasted in public education. Fact is, it's rarely wasted in class room instruction. It's the other aspects of education where money is wastes, isn't it?
 
evince said:
That's according to the Economic Policy Institute's 2015 Family Budget Calculator, which measures the annual cost of necessities for a family to live a secure yet modest lifestyle by estimating the costs of housing, food, child care, transportation, healthcare, other necessities, and taxes.
(Read the EPI's full methodology for the budget calculator here.)
The EPI gathered data in 618 metro areas throughout the US for several different family types. Here, we've highlighted the cost of living for a four-person family (two adults, two children) in 20 major US cities.
If you're looking to start a family in an urban area, consider the annual and monthly cost of necessities, and remember, these numbers do not include savings or discretionary spending:
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Your 'study' is looking at 20 major US cities. You moron. Your elitist mentality is showing.
 
TOP said:
I'm originally from the Cleveland area...both my parents were teachers, as well...I could probably make an educated guess at which district you might be speaking of...lol I'm from the other side of Cleveland suburbs...;)
And I know the big lib type...well...Never sorry to see them flee to Florida...
(I think the first year I taught I made a whopping $9,000....plus cheerleading and track stipends. I got a job almost immediately after graduation...and I was beyond happy...but the system has changed so much...it's hard to get, and keep, good teachers. For so many reasons. One being teachers actually being allowed to teach...I never give up that it will happen again someday soon...)
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Fake teacher,worked in the cafeteria and cleaned the toilets!
 
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