Also, too, the countries depicted in red allow for life sentences (according to Wikipedia, whose sources I have not double checked:
in many euro countries a "life sentence" isn't actually a life sentence. so you might want to control for that.
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in many euro countries a "life sentence" isn't actually a life sentence. so you might want to control for that.
Executions are an eye for an eye mechanism.
The only thing I was trying to persuade you of is that it is nonsense to cite to the family of victims in any argument in support of (or opposition to) capital punishment. And I think I achieved that, given your response.
it's still not acting in kind. I bet you don't feel the same hatred and disdain towards the executioner is you do to the guy that raped and killed a girl. So just be honest with yourself and realize it's not the same thing, it's not the same level. One is being justly killed after having due process, the other person was an innocent and was killed. not the same. not acting in kind.
Germany:
"In Germany, a prisoner sentenced to life imprisonment (lebenslange Freiheitsstrafe) normally may apply for parole after having served 15 years. "
"The average time served for a life sentence in Germany is 21½ years. The longest time served is 49 years, from 1959 until his death in 2008, by Heinrich Pommerenke, a convicted mass murderer and rapist.[5][6]"
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Denmark:
"In Denmark, a life sentence (Livsvarigt fængsel in Danish) theoretically means life without parole: that prisoners will spend the rest of their lives in prison. However, prisoners are entitled to a pardoning hearing after 12 years, and upon motion of the minister of justice, the Danish King or Queen may grant a pardon, subject to a 5-year probationary period.
Prisoners sentenced to life imprisonment serve an average of 16 years,"
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Norway:
"The sentence of life imprisonment under Norwegian law is restricted to the military penal code (e.g.,for aiding the enemy during a time of war). In the civilian penal code there is, however, an indeterminate penalty that could in principle result in life imprisonment, though there are no instances of such penalty having been applied since the most recent correctional law passed in 2002."
"the maximum determinate penalty (civilian penal code) is 21 years' imprisonment, but only a small percentage of prisoners serve more than 14 years. Prisoners will typically get unsupervised parole for weekends, etc. after serving a third of their sentence (a maximum of 7 years), and can receive early release after serving two thirds of their sentence (a maximum of 14 years)."
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I don't disagree but that's not a universally held view.
so my argument that "life sentences aren't really life sentences" then is backed up by what I just posted. Thanks.
you can call it a life sentence, but in practice in most of those countries they only serve around 14-20 years. and in some cases less.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Good point.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
It's too bad we have the constitutional clause against cruel and unussual punishment. I could think of some great punishments for Capital Crimes.
#1. Life behind bars while forced to listen to female country music artists singing through their noses.
#2. Life chained to a desk writting epitomies of Ayn Rand novels.
#3. Life arguing politics with either Dixie or SuperFreak.
#4. Life with only concord grape wine and White Castles to eat and drink (For California residents only).
which is not the same.
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In the UK, any one with a life sentence is not freed but let out on licence. If they commit another crime then they will likely end up back in jail.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
My formal political view is that we should abolish the death penalty. From a purely practical perspective, it's a gigantic waste of money to manage capital punishment.
That said, the barbaric, inhuman acts perpetrated on victims by their scum always grates on my emotions, and I take pleasure when I hear that these animals have suffered for their crimes.
That said, the barbaric, inhuman acts perpetrated on victims by their scum always grates on my emotions, and I take pleasure when I hear that these animals have suffered for their crimes.
Except it is the same as in a lot of US states.
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Darla
I think your formal view is more your intellectual view. That's what I think is happening with me. Intellectually I know the DP has to be abolished. But yes, when I hear these details of these kind of murders I don't get upset about the execution. I don't take pleasure in the details of the execution, and my stomach turns at torture, but it doesn't affect me in these cases. It's a very complicated, very emotional subject I think.