Ohio police shoot pregnant woman

christiefan915 said:
What's not quite right? Her family wrote an obituary of the daughter they knew and loved. That's normal in most people's world, although perhaps not yours.
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She did not depart the world in Sandusky, Ohio, for example... but I'm sure the funeral home wrote it not the family
 
Lionfish said:
Good answer. Interior lights on and hands on the steering wheel until told to do otherwise. I grate my teeth at the imbeciles here that blame the cop for standing in front of the vehicle yet these same asshats support their alt leftie buddies sitting and blocking a freeway during their climate protest. Bring out the snowplows, they will move.
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Are you stating the cop was standing in front of the vehicle and pointing a gun at an alleged shoplifter? Since when is alleged shoplifting a felony?
 
TOP said:
No one is ignoring how the officer reacted.. that's why he's under investigation and on leave .. the two officers were there for an entirely different reason and contacted by a Kroger employee to help investigate the situation... its probably true that things could have been handled a bit differently... indeed unfortunate... that's a highly respected Department though and they will look into it very thoroughly I'm sure...
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If that's indeed the case, then the situation is under control.

It's the attitude of some of our fellow contributors to which I refer.

Their posts suggest that cops can decide on their own who's in season to shoot.

Of course they can shoot if it's to save their own lives or lives of bystanders.
Nobody is arguing about that.

But policework is for people who have man parts, either literally or as in my family's case, figuratively.
We've seen too many firearms discharged by people who didn't seem to have them.

My daughter, for what it's worth, has opined this.
Otherwise, I'd be less talkative about it.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
If that's indeed the case, then the situation is under control.

It's the attitude of some of our fellow contributors to which I refer.

Their posts suggest that cops can decide on their own who's in season to shoot.

Of course they can shoot if it's to save their own lives or lives of bystanders.
Nobody is arguing about that.

But policework is for people who have man parts, either literally or as in my family's case, figuratively.
We've seen too many firearms discharged by people who didn't seem to have them.

My daughter, for what it's worth, has opined this.
Otherwise, I'd be less talkative about it.
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At the moment things seem to be under control... I don't believe the officer ever felt that the shot was taken because it was a season to kill... I do understand why you are commenting especially with your daughter on the force and I'm sure having this conversation about similar situations more often than you'd like...
 
Doc Dutch said:
Soooo cops are at war with black people?
The cops escalated the situation into a fatal shooting. They knew what the woman looked like and had her face on body cam. They'd already run the plates per SOP so they knew who the owner of the car was, with picture, and where she lived. Why not let her run and pick her up when she's out of the car?
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I disagree the woman escalated the situation when the woman basically dared the cop when she asked "are you going to shoot me".
You say let her go and get her when she gets out of her car. Are you are advocating car chases? How would the cops know if she might take off thus endangeing other drivers.
I agree the cops might have overreacted but we weren't there so we don't really know what happened.

In addition we all know that black people are generally treated differently by cops ( yes that is a travesty in this day and age.)
 
christiefan915 said:
Are you stating the cop was standing in front of the vehicle and pointing a gun at an alleged shoplifter? Since when is alleged shoplifting a felony?
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I wasn't at the scene but apparently, you were so why don't you suit up and go prosecute this case against the police?
 
Lionfish said:
I wasn't at the scene but apparently, you were so why don't you suit up and go prosecute this case against the police?
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Then why do you keep calling her a shoplifter without seeing evidence of it?

I'm not defending what this woman did, she used extremely poor judgment. In fact, nobody ITT is defending her actions. But the people who are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at her are part of the problem. How about sticking to what we see and know for sure, instead of bringing up her kid's t-shirt, her obit, her priors, her age when the oldest child was born and other irrelevant stuff that's just a smear attack.
 
christiefan915 said:
Then why do you keep calling her a shoplifter without seeing evidence of it?

I'm not defending what this woman did, she used extremely poor judgment. But the people who are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at her are part of the problem. How about sticking to what we see and know for sure, instead of bringing in her kid's t-shirt, her obit, her priors, her age when the oldest child was born and other irrelevant stuff that's just a smear attack.
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driving car with no tags,,,,cops could see she was guilty of that....not complying with a lawful order ...cops could see she was guilty of that....assaulting police with car....cops could see she was guilty of that.

all worse than shoplifting
 
Eagle_Eye said:
I disagree the woman escalated the situation when the woman basically dared the cop when she asked "are you going to shoot me".
You say let her go and get her when she gets out of her car. Are you are advocating car chases? How would the cops know if she might take off thus endangeing other drivers.
I agree the cops might have overreacted but we weren't there so we don't really know what happened.

In addition we all know that black people are generally treated differently by cops ( yes that is a travesty in this day and age.)
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She was an irate pregnant 21 year old. Not to hard to figure her hormones and emotions were in charge. Police are supposed to be better, not identical.

Overreacted = failed to de-escalate.

Hence why there is wrongness here.
 
volsrock said:
driving car with no tags,,,,cops could see she was guilty of that....not complying with a lawful order ...cops could see she was guilty of that....assaulting police with car....cops could see she was guilty of that.

all worse than shoplifting
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But not required to pull a gun on.
 
christiefan915 said:
But not required to pull a gun on.
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they are trained to do that

The cops have no idea what they are dealing with other than someone so desperate to flee that they are willing to endanger the lives of innocent civilians.

The cops know a this point that the criminals are willing to take any violent action they feel is necessary.

They have no idea if the criminals are armed or with what.
 
christiefan915 said:
But not required to pull a gun on.
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No rules

According to the New York Times, there are no rules regarding when an officer can draw his or her gun on a suspect. The general rule of thumb is that officers can draw their guns using their own discretion. Essentially, it is up to each officer as to when to unholster their firearm and in what situations they would do so. It can be different for every person.


https://www.sivinandmiller.com/blog...-rules-about-officers-drawing-their-firearms/


For New York City Officers, Drawing Guns Is Based on Discretion, Not Rules


To some of them, drawing their guns, even with no present threat, is routine, a practice borne of habit or some internal gauge of an encounter that might go bad. And their bosses, unlike some police commanders around the country, permit it. So, in doing vertical patrols, the roof-to-ground sweeps through buildings, unholstering can be second nature.


https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/...ng-guns-is-based-on-discretion-not-rules.html
 
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