Oh No! They want to cut VA spending!! OMGzers!

Dixie said:
I implied they were all "Medical Officers" because that is how they are listed, and I implied what the job description in Memphis, TN for a VA Medical Officer entailed, because that was what they posted online. Some pinhead (Yurt, I think) implied they were all practicing physicians, but I've seen no proof of that. You've implied that some are and some aren't, but again, with nothing to back that claim up.
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You are a fucking tool. I posted how the federal government lists 'medical officers' as well.... and THAT posting showed that it was without question for a practicing physician.

I will tell you the one guarantee ditzie... the VA has practicing doctors. Those practicing doctors are going to be MEDICAL OFFICERS. They are going to be the bulk of what you find at the high end of the wage range. Just as they are in a private hospital.

You fucking moron.

Then you can't count. There were over 250 "Medical Officers" making over $200k per year, and that was only about 3 pages of the 12 posted. There are substantially more than 300 medical officers working for the VA in Alabama, I don't know how many "medical officers" serve in the official capacity as "practicing physician" or if ANY of them do, as a requirement of their "medical officer" status. All I know is, the job description in Memphis didn't sound like you'd be seeing patients. That's not to say, someone qualified to be a "medical officer" wouldn't also be a practicing physician, but that just isn't part of the job description, as posted by the VA in Memphis.
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I went all the way down to the $100k level ditzie. which took me up to the 300 range. While there might be some below that level even if it doubled, my point would stand.

The key point ditzie is you DON'T fucking know. You find ONE job posting in a DIFFERENT state and then make an assumption that they are all pencil pushing admin that need to be cut.

You are a fucking idiot.

Whatever they do, it's probably not as demanding as the jobs MOST of us have making HALF that amount!
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Next time... just state you don't know what they do, nor do you know what level of education they need for the higher paying tech jobs.


I would! Especially if I didn't have to ever worry about my job security or retirement, and had every imaginable federal employee benefit... why the hell not own a yacht and Ferrari? Now, I admit, I would probably hire some idiot to polish them for me, so I could soak in my Hot Tub with a bevy of blondes with fake boobs, but hey... that's just me.
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Thanks... but next time, you can simply state "I am a dumbass" and that will suffice.

First of all, any practicing physician with the VA, is not paying for their own malpractice insurance, since they work for Uncle Sam. Secondly, I would assume that most people who would qualify to be a "medical officer" for the VA, probably has some experience in the military, which means their school was paid for by the Montgomery GI Bill.
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So, you are just going to make up a lot of assumptions and pretend from now on those assumptions are fact?

Isn't that what led you to this desperate point to begin with?

But let's clear this up, I am not complaining that VA doctors make too much money, or that ANY doctor makes too much money. I am complaining that we don't need 200+ VA "medical officers" making over $200k a year in Alabama alone.
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So you are not against doctors in the VA making too much, but you ARE against doctors making too much.

Thanks for that piece of work ditzie. 400,000 VETS in Alabama... but ditzie thinks 200+ doctors is too many.



I think we could probably make do with fewer of the "administrators" and could probably hire a few more actual "doctors" with that money. Or maybe we could afford to care for more vets? In any event, when someone like a Michelle Bachmann, proposes modest cuts in the budget for the VA, and Liberals go into 'screaming conniption' mode, we need to remember this list... We need to grasp the understanding that Federal Employees Unions have gotten way out of control, and we just can't afford this shit anymore.
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Break it down for us ditzie. Since you think we could do with fewer admin and more actual doctors... surely you have the data that shows us how many are admin and how many are actually practicing.

Link us up ditzie.
 
Thanks for that piece of work ditzie. 400,000 VETS in Alabama... but ditzie thinks 200+ doctors is too many.
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No, I think 200 "medical officers" who mostly hold administrative positions, is way too many. And $200k a year is way too much to be paying them. It's YOUR contention they are all seeing patients daily, deserving of their wages, and unable to deal with the volume.

It's kind of funny, liberals are vitriolic toward people who make over $200k a year, if they are a CEO or Corporate Administrator... but not if they work for the VA...or the Teacher's Union... or the Post Office... Oh no... government employees aren't making ENOUGH for the job they are asked to do! We should pay them more! I bet these "Medical Officers" in Alabama can't get good caviar here! Maybe we should implement a government program to fly that in for them?
 
The first five people on the list are two orthopedic surgeons, one plastic surgeon, one vascular surgeon and one vascular and interventional radiologist. The idea that these folks are pencil pushers earning vastly more than they could command in the private sector is laughable at best.
 
Dixie said:
No, I think 200 "medical officers" who mostly hold administrative positions, is way too many. And $200k a year is way too much to be paying them. It's YOUR contention they are all seeing patients daily, deserving of their wages, and unable to deal with the volume.
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Show us ditzie where those medical officers 'mostly hold admin positions'. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING THAT BULLSHIT FROM????

It's kind of funny, liberals are vitriolic toward people who make over $200k a year, if they are a CEO or Corporate Administrator... but not if they work for the VA...or the Teacher's Union... or the Post Office... Oh no... government employees aren't making ENOUGH for the job they are asked to do! We should pay them more! I bet these "Medical Officers" in Alabama can't get good caviar here! Maybe we should implement a government program to fly that in for them?
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You are a fucking moron if you think they are pissed about people making $200k.

They, like every sane person, are pissed when the CEO's get paid 8 figures for doing nothing more than running a company into the ground.

You keep putting Medical Officers in quotes in some lame ass attempt to pretend they are not practicing physicians.

Again I ask you ditzie... if those 200+ are 'mostly admin'.... WHO THE FUCK IS TREATING THE VETS?

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe the actual surgeons, dentists, doctors are making less than $100k?
 
Superfreak said:
Show us ditzie where those medical officers 'mostly hold admin positions'. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING THAT BULLSHIT FROM????




You are a fucking moron if you think they are pissed about people making $200k.

They, like every sane person, are pissed when the CEO's get paid 8 figures for doing nothing more than running a company into the ground.

You keep putting Medical Officers in quotes in some lame ass attempt to pretend they are not practicing physicians.

Again I ask you ditzie... if those 200+ are 'mostly admin'.... WHO THE FUCK IS TREATING THE VETS?

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe the actual surgeons, dentists, doctors are making less than $100k?
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Do you honestly expect anyone to believe someone making $250k a year is in some sweaty VA Hospital exam room looking at the weird fungus growing on some veteran's foot? I highly doubt it. These highly-paid "medical officers" are probably used as 'consultants' more than anything else, at this stage in the game, but they are probably only available to do that at certain times, when they aren't out on the yacht or tooling around in the Ferrari!
 
NigelTufnel said:
The first five people on the list are two orthopedic surgeons, one plastic surgeon, one vascular surgeon and one vascular and interventional radiologist. The idea that these folks are pencil pushers earning vastly more than they could command in the private sector is laughable at best.
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except that the VA gig is a part time position.
 
Damn Yankee said:
The link states that Dr. Stephenson works for UAB Health Systems, which apparently is not the VA, so an educated assumption is that they are both part time positions.
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The Birmingham VA Medical Center is affiliated with UAB Health Systems, so I don't know that it is correct to call it a part time position.
 
Dixie said:
Do you honestly expect anyone to believe someone making $250k a year is in some sweaty VA Hospital exam room looking at the weird fungus growing on some veteran's foot? I highly doubt it. These highly-paid "medical officers" are probably used as 'consultants' more than anything else, at this stage in the game, but they are probably only available to do that at certain times, when they aren't out on the yacht or tooling around in the Ferrari!
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again.... you do realize there are surgeons and other specialists that work for the VA?

You are talking about 200 out of 5500 VA employees.... serving over 400,000 Vets.

You keep pretending to know what they do, because you are embarrassed at the stupidity you have displayed on this thread.

To pretend that the bulk of the highly paid are just consultants or admin is simply ignorant. Unless of course you believe the lab techs are the ones operating on our vets.... then we could just mark you down as insane.
 
NigelTufnel said:
The Birmingham VA Medical Center is affiliated with UAB Health Systems, so I don't know that it is correct to call it a part time position.
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Under his profile it states that he accepts the following insurance:

# Blue Cross and Blue Shield - BlueCard PPO
# Blue Cross and Blue Shield PPO
# Cigna - Open Access
# Cigna HMO
# Cigna PPO
# Coventry - First Health Network PPO
# HealthNet
# Humana - Choice Care PPO
# Medicaid
# Medicare
# MultiPlan - PHCS PPO
# MultiPlan PPO
# United HealthCare

None of which is VA. It is also quite common for doctors to be "medical directors" of several facilities, and getting paid by each of them. Therefore a reasonable assumption is that the VA gig is part-time.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Under his profile it states that he accepts the following insurance:

# Blue Cross and Blue Shield - BlueCard PPO
# Blue Cross and Blue Shield PPO
# Cigna - Open Access
# Cigna HMO
# Cigna PPO
# Coventry - First Health Network PPO
# HealthNet
# Humana - Choice Care PPO
# Medicaid
# Medicare
# MultiPlan - PHCS PPO
# MultiPlan PPO
# United HealthCare

None of which is VA. It is also quite common for doctors to be "medical directors" of several facilities, and getting paid by each of them. Therefore a reasonable assumption is that the VA gig is part-time.
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He is jointly affiliated with both the VA and the UAB Health Systems, which themselves are closely related. And he isn't a "medical director," he's an orthopedic surgeon. Given his line of work, I don't even know what "part time" would entail and I don't think it's accurate to call a doctor with multiple affiliations "part-timers" at each of them.
 
NigelTufnel said:
He is jointly affiliated with both the VA and the UAB Health Systems, which themselves are closely related. And he isn't a "medical director," he's an orthopedic surgeon. Given his line of work, I don't even know what "part time" would entail and I don't think it's accurate to call a doctor with multiple affiliations "part-timers" at each of them.
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Given that surgeons are paid per surgery, and not on a constant salary (in most cases), his working at more than one facility would not be considered part-time.

Also, he probably uses UAB surgical facilities for the VA related surgeries.
 
Dixie said:
Do you honestly expect anyone to believe someone making $250k a year is in some sweaty VA Hospital exam room looking at the weird fungus growing on some veteran's foot? I highly doubt it. These highly-paid "medical officers" are probably used as 'consultants' more than anything else, at this stage in the game, but they are probably only available to do that at certain times, when they aren't out on the yacht or tooling around in the Ferrari!
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You just hate rich people...:loveu:
 
NigelTufnel said:
He is jointly affiliated with both the VA and the UAB Health Systems, which themselves are closely related. And he isn't a "medical director," he's an orthopedic surgeon. Given his line of work, I don't even know what "part time" would entail and I don't think it's accurate to call a doctor with multiple affiliations "part-timers" at each of them.
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I'm curious as to why the "about" tab on the UAB web site doesn't list the VA as one of its associated practices.

http://www.uabmedicine.org/18173/

Then there is this, which again doesn't appear to be affiliated with the VA:

Dr. Stephenson maintains a large general clinical orthopaedic practice.
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http://uabjointcenter.net/stephenson.html


The term "medical director" is unrelated to his field of practice. It simply means that he is a director of a certain facility.
 
Damn Yankee said:
I'm curious as to why the "about" tab on the UAB web site doesn't list the VA as one of its associated practices.

http://www.uabmedicine.org/18173/
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Here:

http://www.birmingham.va.gov/about/

http://www.birmingham.va.gov/about/partners.asp


Damn Yankee said:
Then there is this, which again doesn't appear to be affiliated with the VA:

http://uabjointcenter.net/stephenson.html


The term "medical director" is unrelated to his field of practice. It simply means that he is a director of a certain facility.
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I didn't say he was solely affiliated with the VA. I said that I don't think it is accurate to call him a part-timer, and I still don't. In fact, I don't know what it means for a surgeon to be a "part-time" surgeon anywhere.

And I'm not sure what the "medical director" stuff is all about. He's a surgeon.
 
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