ObamaCare is succeeding at all of its primary goals!

[Kurmugeon]

I can`t believe they didn`t let the President Trump flush it and start with something better

I agree... Nor do I think he and most conservatives understand where this is all really going...

WHY does the Left not care than the Single Payer Health Care system they're working so damn hard to get established is going to fiscally collapse under the fiscal burden of Open-Borders!?

It is essential that those of the Non-Far-Left understand this thang!

I'll give you hint, .... it is a very Cloward-Piven Strategy kind of Thang.

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[Kurmugeon]

World wide globalism.

Yes! World Wide Global Government Based on the U.N.!

You see, they plan to use the Collapse of the American Single Payer System, to justify and predicate the creation of a world government tax system, and from it, One World Government, to cover the costs to Americans and their health care system which is caring for the Catastrophically-Ill people from all over the world, due to America's Open-Borders.

Americans will have no choice but to accept the new World-Tax and Government system, to bail out their crippled and bankrupt Single Payer HealthCare system.

The two; Single Payer HealthCare, used in combination with Open-Borders, will make common, middle class Americans DEMAND a World Tax system to pay for the costs of caring for the World's Sick People, who have flocked to America!

They are going to use and abuse the Open-Borders Collaspe of the American Single Payer System, in much the same way that they are using the Collapse of the ACA to create the Single Payer System. Give them credit for Consistency.

BTW, ObamaCareFail, you are the first person on any forum to fully see it! Here, 1000 Bonus Points!

That is the long range plans of the Far-Left, for the Single Payer HealthCare system.

Nothing less than World Socialist Domination!

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[SmarterthanYou]

That's bullshit, we have had the NHS since 1948. We also have many private healthcare companies. I used to have private health cover when I worked at T-Mobile and my oldest son has it at Cisco and my youngest also at Expedia.

what the hell does private health care coverage have to do with socialism?????

 

[Airstrip One]

Yes! World Wide Global Government Based on the U.N.!

You see, they plan to use the Collapse of the American Single Payer System, to justify and predicate the creation of a world government tax system, and from it, One World Government, to cover the costs to Americans and their health care system which is caring for the Catastrophically-Ill people from all over the world, due to America's Open-Borders.

Americans will have no choice but to accept the new World-Tax and Government system, to bail out their crippled and bankrupt Single Payer HealthCare system.

The two; Single Payer HealthCare, used in combination with Open-Borders, will make common, middle class Americans DEMAND a World Tax system to pay for the costs of caring for the World's Sick People, who have flocked to America!

They are going to use and abuse the Open-Borders Collaspe of the American Single Payer System, in much the same way that they are using the Collapse of the ACA to create the Single Payer System. Give them credit for Consistency.

BTW, ObamaCareFail, you are the first person on any forum to fully see it! Here, 1000 Bonus Points!

That is the long range plans of the Far-Left, for the Single Payer HealthCare system.

Nothing less than World Socialist Domination!

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[Kurmugeon]

In his final address to the U.N., President Obama stated that America must surrender its soveriegnty to Global Government, and he made financial appeal reasons for doing so:

http://awarenessact.com/obama-america-must-surrender-sovereignty-embrace-one-world-government/

Obama: America Must Surrender Sovereignty, Embrace One World Government


In his last address to the United Nations Tuesday, President Barack
Obama urged citizens to embrace a One World Government. These
politicians really are beginning to sound like broken records, and what
is even worse, they are not even trying to hide their plans anymore;
people just are not paying attention.

In addition to praising the bankster loan shark operations run out of
the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, Obama called for
“global integration,” in other words, a one world government.
...

Also...

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Obam...e_One_World_Government/54252/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Obama: America Must Surrender Sovereignty, Embrace One World Government

Published: September 22, 2016

Earlier this week Barack Obama delivered his final United Nations speech.

In addition to praising the bankster loan shark operations run out of
the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, Obama called for
“global integration,” code for a one-world government.

“I believe that at this moment we all face a choice. We can choose to
press forward with a better model of cooperation and integration. Or we
can retreat into a world sharply divided, and ultimately in conflict,
along age-old lines of nation and tribe and race and religion,” he said.

In short, Obama has renewed the call to end national sovereignty.

...

Here is the complete Transcript of Obama's final U.N. Speech:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...-71st-session-united-nations-general-assembly

eptember 20, 2016





Address by President Obama to the 71st Session of the United Nations General Assembly






The United Nations

New York, New York


10:29 A.M. EDT

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Mr. President; Mr. Secretary General; fellow
delegates; ladies and gentlemen: As I address this hall as President
for the final time, let me recount the progress that we’ve made these
last eight years.


From the depths of the greatest financial crisis of our time, we
coordinated our response to avoid further catastrophe and return the
global economy to growth. We’ve taken away terrorist safe havens,
strengthened the nonproliferation regime, resolved the Iranian nuclear
issue through diplomacy. We opened relations with Cuba, helped Colombia
end Latin America’s longest war, and we welcome a democratically
elected leader of Myanmar to this Assembly. Our assistance is helping
people feed themselves, care for the sick, power communities across
Africa, and promote models of development rather than dependence. And
we have made international institutions like the World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund more representative, while establishing a
framework to protect our planet from the ravages of climate change.


This is important work. It has made a real difference in the lives of
our people. And it could not have happened had we not worked together.
And yet, around the globe we are seeing the same forces of global
integration that have made us interdependent also expose deep fault
lines in the existing international order.
We see it in the headlines every day. Around the world, refugees flow across borders in flight from brutal conflict. Financial disruptions continue to weigh upon our workers and entire communities. Across vast swaths of the Middle East, basic security, basic order has broken down. We see too many governments muzzling journalists, and quashing dissent, and censoring the flow of information. Terrorist networks use social media to...

The Far-Lefties are not making a big secret about their plans...

 

[blackascoal]

what the hell does private health care coverage have to do with socialism?????

Socialism is all around you brother .. always has been, always will be.

You use it, and your dependence on it will increase with your age.

Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans alive .. and you have a problem with that.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Socialism is all around you brother .. always has been, always will be.

You use it, and your dependence on it will increase with your age.

Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans alive .. and you have a problem with that.

yes, I do. socialism has been forced upon us by a government that mandates control over our lives. a large majority of a persons 'retirement' is used up in bureaucratic salaries and admin costs, when it could have been put to better use by the individuals themselves. why do you NOT have a problem with that?

 

[blackascoal]

yes, I do. socialism has been forced upon us by a government that mandates control over our lives. a large majority of a persons 'retirement' is used up in bureaucratic salaries and admin costs, when it could have been put to better use by the individuals themselves. why do you NOT have a problem with that?

Because that's not reality.

How much do you think the average person has in the bank right now?

Are you of the opinion that a little more money would change their financial circumstances?

By retirement age, that person has little to nothing to retire on .. and what makes you think any investments along the way would prove successful? Even successful people often lose it all.

The purpose of government is the best interests of the whole, not the individual.

Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans alive. The so-called 'free market' doesn't give a rats ass about their lives.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Because that's not reality.

How much do you think the average person has in the bank right now?

and why do you think that is? over taxation. The feds take 18 to 30%. The state takes between 13 and 25. property taxes can take about 10% of a persons income yearly. how does that allow anyone to save money?

Are you of the opinion that a little more money would change their financial circumstances?

see above

By retirement age, that person has little to nothing to retire on .. and what makes you think any investments along the way would prove successful? Even successful people often lose it all.

1. i've seen people become moderately successful in investing. 2. why do you think the government created wall street in the first place?

The purpose of government is the best interests of the whole, not the individual.

better that 1,000 die in poverty than 10 million? I'd rebel against that type of barbarism as well.

Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans alive. The so-called 'free market' doesn't give a rats ass about their lives.

socialism effectively brainwashes the naive millions with the hopes that they'll be offered a chance at better living, while barely surviving, allowing the elitists to laugh all the way to the bank with the millions bilked from the brainwashed.

 

[Nomad]

 

[blackascoal]

and why do you think that is? over taxation. The feds take 18 to 30%. The state takes between 13 and 25. property taxes can take about 10% of a persons income yearly. how does that allow anyone to save money?

See below. The problem isn't not having a little more money, the problem is spending. Most make more, they spend more. More money .. nicer car, bigger house. Get a tax cut .. spend it.

Blaming taxes for ones own failure to control their own finances, or the unforeseen .. doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

see above

ditto

1. i've seen people become moderately successful in investing.

So have I. Changes nothing.

2. why do you think the government created wall street in the first place?

For investors. Changes nothing. Most people don't even know how to invest.

better that 1,000 die in poverty than 10 million? I'd rebel against that type of barbarism as well.

You have that backwards. More like 10 million will die for 1000.

If you find taxation 'barbaric' .. I'm not sure what world you imagine. It's mixed markets all over the planet. Your brand of laissez-faire economy exists nowhere in the known universe. It only exists in the wet dreams of a libertarian.

socialism effectively brainwashes the naive millions with the hopes that they'll be offered a chance at better living, while barely surviving, allowing the elitists to laugh all the way to the bank with the millions bilked from the brainwashed.

Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans ALIVE .. you keep skipping over that truth .. 'brainwashing' indeed.

It's not about what you think is best for you good brother.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

See below. The problem isn't not having a little more money, the problem is spending. Most make more, they spend more. More money .. nicer car, bigger house. Get a tax cut .. spend it.

wouldn't that be the individuals issue of not saving? or do you believe it's governments job to provide for a persons retirement due to idiocy?

Blaming taxes for ones own failure to control their own finances, or the unforeseen .. doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

i said no such thing as that. I said taxes prevent a person from saving enough.

ditto

So have I. Changes nothing.

For investors. Changes nothing. Most people don't even know how to invest.

so you think it's best that government remove opportunity to succeed AND learn? all in order to control the people?

You have that backwards. More like 10 million will die for 1000.

If you find taxation 'barbaric' .. I'm not sure what world you imagine. It's mixed markets all over the planet. Your brand of laissez-faire economy exists nowhere in the known universe. It only exists in the wet dreams of a libertarian.



Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans ALIVE .. you keep skipping over that truth .. 'brainwashing' indeed.

It's not about what you think is best for you good brother.

and this is where you're absolutely wrong. MY life, MY choice. I need to be the one to decide what's good for me, not uncle sam. you are not in line with the framers on this one.

 

[Nomad]

and why do you think that is? over taxation. The feds take 18 to 30%. The state takes between 13 and 25. property taxes can take about 10% of a persons income yearly. how does that allow anyone to save money?

Prove your numbers.

Very few people are in the 30% Federal Income Tax bracket and with deductions and loopholes, the effective tax rate for most middle income people is much lower that the numbers you claim.

Same with property taxes. If you're making 50k a year and paying 5k in property taxes after homestead exemption, you're probably in a home you can't really afford anyway.

And like your hero Jason Chaffetz said.... if people would forego that new iPhone everytime a new model comes out, maybe they'd be able to save something.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Prove your numbers.

Very few people are in the 30% Federal Income Tax bracket and with deductions and loopholes, the effective tax rate for most middle income people is much lower that the numbers you claim.

I made 104k last year. my fed tax rate was 23%

Same with property taxes. If you're making 50k a year and paying 5k in property taxes after homestead exemption, you're probably in a home you can't really afford anyway.

you have me here. That should have been 1 to 2%, not 10%. my bad.

And like your hero Jason Chaffetz said.... if people would forego that new iPhone everytime a new model comes out, maybe they'd be able to save something.

i do not disagree on this. I see people that make half of what I do buying 300 to 400 dollar phones........which is the epitome of stupidity. It then begs the question, why should I be surrendering my money to the government so this person who doesn't know how to budget can have a minimal retirement at the end of his wasteful spending?

 

[blackascoal]

wouldn't that be the individuals issue of not saving? or do you believe it's governments job to provide for a persons retirement due to idiocy?

I believe it's the governments job to do what's best for SOCIETY, not the individual.

Social Security and Medicare are what's best for society.

i said no such thing as that. I said taxes prevent a person from saving enough.

Again, that's not true. Spending is their problem. Taxes are a function of government, thus necessary. Get a tax cut .. the vast majority will spend it, not save it.

Most Americans have less than $1,000 in savings
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06

so you think it's best that government remove opportunity to succeed AND learn? all in order to control the people?

Millions of people succeed, prosper, and learn all the time .. and pay taxes and live within their means.

If one's plans aren't succeeding and their goals aren't being met, there may be many reasons for that, but taxes isn't one of them.

and this is where you're absolutely wrong. MY life, MY choice. I need to be the one to decide what's good for me, not uncle sam. you are not in line with the framers on this one.

There's a lot of things I'm not in line with the Framers on. They're all long dead .. but nothing they've said can be interpreted as you over society.

I know you think a lot about you .. but neither life nor society are about you brother. You're looking for a wet dream that does not exist. It does not exist.

 

[Airstrip One]

Socialism is all around you brother .. always has been, always will be.

You use it, and your dependence on it will increase with your age.

Socialism is the only thing keeping millions of Americans alive .. and you have a problem with that.

Socialism is the thing that helped keep a lot of people dead over the course of the last century. I have slight issues with that.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I believe it's the governments job to do what's best for SOCIETY, not the individual.

the constitution is very specific about governments job, which is to protect our individual rights. nothing more, nothing less.

Social Security and Medicare are what's best for society.

is it the socialist ideology that keeping people at the poverty line is best for society? because that's what social security and medicare do.

Again, that's not true. Spending is their problem. Taxes are a function of government, thus necessary. Get a tax cut .. the vast majority will spend it, not save it.

and why is that MY problem?

Most Americans have less than $1,000 in savings
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06

again, how is that my problem?

Millions of people succeed, prosper, and learn all the time .. and pay taxes and live within their means.

but you want to save the millions of people that don't bother to? how is that helping them?

If one's plans aren't succeeding and their goals aren't being met, there may be many reasons for that, but taxes isn't one of them.

this might be true for some, but it's not true for me. taxes, obamacare, and government regulations are my bane.

There's a lot of things I'm not in line with the Framers on. They're all long dead .. but nothing they've said can be interpreted as you over society.

then you haven't read the history, brother. EVERYTHING the framers said is individual over society.

I know you think a lot about you .. but neither life nor society are about you brother. You're looking for a wet dream that does not exist. It does not exist.

yes, they are, and yes they do. I pray that you do more research, unbiased research, on the perils of socialism and what it leads to.

 

[blackascoal]

the constitution is very specific about governments job, which is to protect our individual rights. nothing more, nothing less.

is it the socialist ideology that keeping people at the poverty line is best for society? because that's what social security and medicare do.


and why is that MY problem?


again, how is that my problem?

but you want to save the millions of people that don't bother to? how is that helping them?


this might be true for some, but it's not true for me. taxes, obamacare, and government regulations are my bane.


then you haven't read the history, brother. EVERYTHING the framers said is individual over society.


yes, they are, and yes they do. I pray that you do more research, unbiased research, on the perils of socialism and what it leads to.

My brother .. you're making over 100k a year. If you don't have enough money to meet your goals, perhaps its a simple as you don't know how to control your spending.

 

[blackascoal]

Socialism is the thing that helped keep a lot of people dead over the course of the last century. I have slight issues with that.

Not in this country you haven't.

In this country, there is little doubt that socialism saves many lives.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

My brother .. you're making over 100k a year. If you don't have enough money to meet your goals, perhaps its a simple as you don't know how to control your spending.

and normally, I would agree 100% with your reasoning. However, there are numerous mitigating circumstances that I have to deal with, namely a disabled wife who has numerous and extremely chronic health conditions such as HCM (hypertrophic cardiomyopathy), lower limb neuropathy, crohns, and systemic lupus. All of which cost a great deal of money even with health insurance. My one single lucky break last year was I had finally met my deductible on my family plan (10,000) that my wifes emergency gall bladder surgery was free of charge. Under Obamacare, my premiums doubled, my copays doubled, and my prescription copays tripled. Minus all the emergency room visits she made last year, her monthly doctor appointments and her prescription costs added up to just over 5,000 and that's not including any labs, extra appointments outside of her regular appointments, and fees incurred on ER visits. Taxation only adds to my burden. So there is a small example of your socialism. thanks.