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[FUCK THE POLICE]

Threedee probably dislikes Jackson because of Jackson's reputation as a rabble-rouser who ended the era of "government by gentlemen".

Threedee, for absolutely incomprehensible and unfounded reasons, likes to see himself as part of an aristocratic elite and looks down on Jacksonian democracy.

I disagree with many parts of Jacksonian democracy. For instance, I don't think that having every official in the book elected makes government any better. I also know the Jacksons closing of the bank of the United States contributed to a massive depression and was entirely based on ignorance.

Then there's the indian ordeal which I don't think I have to go into much detail about.

Threedee is just bizarre though. He is sort of a federalist style conservative, I guess, and hates the souths support of conservatism while still trying to claim that his conservatism is as far away from that as you can get.

 

[christiefan915]

Leon Klinghoffer, Achille Lauro, 1985.

Or did you mean just this particular situation?

The captain is safe and the crew is returned so I won't quibble about the "rightness" of the decision, but I don't believe the captain's life was in danger.

No hostage has ever been harmed before although I don't expect that to last now.

Hopefully, Africa does not become another pawn in the fake-ass "War on terror" .. which I suspect it may.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Threedee probably dislikes Jackson because of Jackson's reputation as a rabble-rouser who ended the era of "government by gentlemen".

Threedee, for absolutely incomprehensible and unfounded reasons, likes to see himself as part of an aristocratic elite and looks down on Jacksonian democracy.

THIS. FUCKING THIS.

I disagree with many parts of Jacksonian democracy. For instance, I don't think that having every official in the book elected makes government any better. I also know the Jacksons closing of the bank of the United States contributed to a massive depression and was entirely based on ignorance.

Then there's the indian ordeal which I don't think I have to go into much detail about.

Threedee is just bizarre though. He is sort of a federalist style conservative, I guess, and hates the souths support of conservatism while still trying to claim that his conservatism is as far away from that as you can get.

This is also very true. Remember, however, that the South was "liberal" until at least the turn of the 20th Century, if not the 1970s when they became industrial capitalists for the first time.

 

[uscitizen]

Lets not forget that the Cherokees won their case in the supreme court using the laws of the USA and Jackson had them moved anyway. Also Jefferson supported the trail of tears.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Lets not forget that the Cherokees won their case in the supreme court using the laws of the USA and Jackson had them moved anyway. Also Jefferson supported the trail of tears.

Jefferson died before the Trail of Tears, although the Indian Removal Act may have been passed in his lifetime. However, Jefferson had long declared that Westernized ("civilized") tribes, such as the "5 Civilized Tribes" should be allowed to have freedom, rights, and sovereignty, so as much as I dislike Jefferson, I have to diagree with your statement. Unless you meant to say Jackson.

In Jackson's defense, he may never have been able to stop Tennessee from ousting the Cherokee, which would have been embarrassing to the presidency, but he still seems to have been 100% in favor of the incident.

 

[uscitizen]

Jefferson died before the Trail of Tears, although the Indian Removal Act may have been passed in his lifetime. However, Jefferson had long declared that Westernized ("civilized") tribes, such as the "5 Civilized Tribes" should be allowed to have freedom, rights, and sovereignty, so as much as I dislike Jefferson, I have to diagree with your statement. Unless you meant to say Jackson.

In Jackson's defense, he may never have been able to stop Tennessee from ousting the Cherokee, which would have been embarrassing to the presidency, but he still seems to have been 100% in favor of the incident.

Jefferson agreed with Jackson on his re-location of the Cherokee.
Or so I was told on a PBS show recently. They could be wrong, it has happened.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Jefferson agreed with Jackson on his re-location of the Cherokee.
Or so I was told on a PBS show recently. They could be wrong, it has happened.

Jefferson died on July 4, 1826. The Indian Removal Act was passed in 1830, and the Cherokee were removed in 1838 (my guesses had been 1831 & 1837, but Wiki says otherwise). To my knowledge, Jefferson had never recanted on his support of sovereignty rights for the "5 Civilized Tribes," but I could be wrong...

Jefferson, for all his bad, including being the precursor to Jacksonian Democracy, actually had the sense to oppose Jackson and support his best friend's son in 1824, claiming that "Andrew Jackson is supremely unqualified" for the presidency.

 

[Epicurus]

Jefferson agreed with Jackson on his re-location of the Cherokee.
Or so I was told on a PBS show recently. They could be wrong, it has happened.

Bahaha

 

[uscitizen]

Jefferson died on July 4, 1826. The Indian Removal Act was passed in 1830, and the Cherokee were removed in 1838 (my guesses had been 1831 & 1837, but Wiki says otherwise). To my knowledge, Jefferson had never recanted on his support of sovereignty rights for the "5 Civilized Tribes," but I could be wrong...

Jefferson, for all his bad, including being the precursor to Jacksonian Democracy, actually had the sense to oppose Jackson and support his best friend's son in 1824, claiming that "Andrew Jackson is supremely unqualified" for the presidency.

more pieces to consider... But then you kno how the victors write the history.
It is really hard to fully undrerstand early American politics.

I figure this went on for a while. considering the Cherokees pursued their legal rights thru the courts to the supreme court and won. I am not sure how long that process was or exactly when it started.

btw a very intestering series Applachia on PBS. You want to know why coal miners unionized? Watch that segment.

The battle of King Mountain...The first major US victory by the reveloutionaries. And was done by pissed off non militia, just people living in the area and did not like the way the brits were talking. So a lot of them got their bullet out and marched on king mountain. you see the british were just going to run em out and or kill em. No we folks do not tend to take kindly to such threats, so we wipped em out and hung a few after the shootin was over.

This is the first major US victory in the reveloutionary war. It showed that the US could beat the british. The colonists were cheered up. Washington got a good boost.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Hmm... I'm more of a Bunker Hill guy. The Cherokee had until 1838 from the time of the Act's passage to relocate, during which time the other four tribes all relocated. In those years, they managed to get two contradictory rulings from SCOTUS, (one was Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, the other was Worchester v. Georgia...