Obama says GOP is crippling the USA

[Damocles]

Can you defend the TP freshman congressmen spending their first entire year writing bills to defeat National RomneyCare, I fight they new was
impossible to win?

Thought the TP members may be a "minority" they were a big enough part of the majority party of the house to direct the actions of that party.
Bohner most certainly bent to their will.

You are a partisan hack if you think Obama's policies wrought what we have now.

Unlike most politicians they actually did what they promised to do while running. There is no need for an "excuse", they ran on that, then they did it.

And you are a partisan hack if you refuse to admit that Mr. "I won" has responsibility for where we are now.

 

[Rune]

Obama is resonsible for borrowing money fo two unfunded wars? For BushII's bailout of the least deserving? For the collapse of the global economy?

I love how you ignore most of my points and just answer the ones you think you can win.

 

[Damocles]

Obama is resonsible for borrowing money fo two unfunded wars? For BushII's bailout of the least deserving? For the collapse of the global economy?

I love how you ignore most of my points and just answer the ones you think you can win.

Obama is responsible for the failed domestic policy, the "stimulus", and now an attempt at "Son of Stimulus"... passed through objections with an arrogant "I won". He's responsible for the current DC atmosphere of blame. The constant "hostage taker" rhetoric while at the same time hypocritically blaming others and telling them to stop using the very same rhetoric his WH regularly participates in.

Supposedly Bush's bailout has been paid back, he wasn't responsible for that either, in fact there is no accounting for the money that was returned to the government. None at all. He is responsible for that part.

Yeah, Obama is responsible for what his policy has wrought, ignoring that takes professional level hacksmanship.

He ran to take on this job, to fix these problems and instead has provided us a level of blame that I have never seen before from a White House. He's gone to blaming everything, including earthquakes, for his failures. One thing that I know, the buck doesn't stop there... and only the hacktacularly blind partisans are willing to continue to accept the excuses. Fortunately, the largest portion of voters don't belong to either party, it is those people who will be electing our next President, and they aren't blindly partisan.

 

[Rune]

Nice how you didn't refute my points.

 

[Damocles]

Nice how you didn't refute my points.

You didn't make many. You tried instead to deflect.

Basically I explained for the simple among us. Obama is responsible for his policy, even if you don't want him to be, and especially because it was him and his party with super majorities that thrust them upon us.

 

[Alias]

Obama is resonsible for borrowing money fo two unfunded wars? For BushII's bailout of the least deserving? For the collapse of the global economy?

I love how you ignore most of my points and just answer the ones you think you can win.

Bill Clinton said raising taxes on the rich is not going to solve the problem. What is your opinion on that statement?

 

[Rune]

Bill Clinton said raising taxes on the rich is not going to solve the problem. What is your opinion on that statement?

My opinion is that you are an ignorant hypocrite troll not worth responding to, so shut the fuck up.

 

[Alias]

My opinion is that you are an ignorant hypocrite troll not worth responding to, so shut the fuck up.

My, my. That's quite a debating technique you have there. You're really really smart. LOL

Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Is your world crumbling? Do you feel abandoned? Do you need to see a doctor?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

LOL. This is idiotic, seriously, it is flat stupid to try to tell people that y'all were thrilled to have another 4 years of GWB because it was never your goal to make him a one-termer... So the party not in the WH never runs anybody against them because they want the other guy to continue? Let's see what the Democratic Party had to say in 2004... were they "united" in an effort to make Bush a one term President? ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41452-2004Jul10?language=printer Wait... The party wanted to get Bush out of power? How could that be? According to y'all the Democrats were salivating about a Bush second term because there is no way that anybody has ever had making the other party's President a one-termer as a goal. Nobody ever said anything like that before! Does anybody remember how it was the DNC's "plan" to make GWB's Guard service an issue? So much so that See B.S. News went and actually made up a story about it? http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/001093.php Anyway, working with Kerry to make GWB a one-term President... It was reality. There are people who believe that the policies of the Democratic party are disastrous to us at this point in time and they will work to make Obama a one term President, just as those who thought GWB was disastrous worked to make him a one-term President. And those who worked to defeat Clinton, and those who worked with Clinton to defeat Bush, and those who worked with Mondale against Reagan, and so on back...

Yet none of this proves your hyperbolic statement "It's always the stated goal of the party not in power in the WH to make the other a one term President...".


Did leading party members in the past - of either party - ever state that their primary goal was to make any president a one-termer?


Of course, if cannot find any evidence, you could post more obfuscating irrelevance, or you could admit that you overstated your case.

 

[Damocles]

Yet none of this proves your hyperbolic statement "It's always the stated goal of the party not in power in the WH to make the other a one term President...".


Did leading party members in the past - of either party - ever state that their primary goal was to make any president a one-termer?


Of course, if cannot find any evidence, you could post more obfuscating irrelevance, or you could admit that you overstated your case.

Except for the story with the DNC stating that it was their goal to remove GWB you could be right... <- note the sarcasm winky again.

It's "like" you ignore the salient bits and pretend reality fits into your fantasy.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Bill Clinton said raising taxes on the rich is not going to solve the problem. What is your opinion on that statement?

My opinion is that it's false, and you got it from a rightwing site.

Headlines have been floating around various news Web sites that suggest former President Bill Clinton, the pride of the modern Democratic Party, has espoused views that would make every conservative pundit smile: President Obama should not raise taxes on the wealthy.


While many have implied that Clinton has undermined the sitting president's economic policy with that statement, that isn't the case. In fact, Clinton never actually said that.


In an interview with Newsmax that was published on Tuesday, Clinton -- who spoke to the far-right leaning Web site to promote the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] annual gathering of his notable non-profit, the Clinton Global Initiative -- was critical of Obama's jobs plan.


Clinton noted that while Obama's plan does not include any tax increases, it does include, "$250 billion in tax cuts, $250 billion in spending over a period of two years."


He added that he, "personally [doesn't] believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground."


While Clinton was clearly discussing the jobs plan -- not the tax increase on millionaires that is part of a separate legislative effort -- Newsmax turned it, seemingly implying that the tax on the wealthy is so ludicrous that even the almighty Bill Clinton is against it with the headline "Ex-President Clinton to Newsmax: Raising Taxes Won't Work."


It should be mentioned that Newsmax is published by Christopher Ruddy, a conservative journalist who actively attacked Clinton and his colleagues during his presidency. According to multiple reports, Clinton and Ruddy developed a cordial relationship after Ruddy concluded that Clinton's actual record as president was not as offensive as those on the right signaled during his administration. Since, then, Clinton periodically gives interviews to Newsmax.


During the interview, Clinton actually took pains to emphasize the fact that he believes a bipartisan solution is necessary toward improving the country's slagging economy.


"What I would like to say to the president and Speaker Boehner is, OK, you both have your deal. Go work it out. Meanwhile, focus on putting America back to work because it just confused Americans. Americans lost the fact that whatever you feel about this millionaire surcharge, it won't solve the problem," Clinton told Newsmax.


Which is true. Taxing the wealthy certainly won't fix the U.S. debt problem by itself. Good thing that only about half of the $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue that Obama proposed is set to come from allowing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire. The other half will come from closing loopholes for special interests and limiting tax deductions and exclusions.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/218...t-work-bill-clinton-newsmax.htm#1_undefined,0_

 

[Damocles]

He added that he, "personally [doesn't] believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground."

I agree with Bill Clinton.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Except for the story with the DNC stating that it was their goal to remove GWB you could be right... <- note the sarcasm winky again. It's "like" you ignore the salient bits and pretend reality fits into your fantasy.

Are you claiming that you've proven your statement that "It's always the stated goal of the party not in power in the WH to make the other a one term President..." with the links you've provided?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

He added that he, "personally [doesn't] believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground." I agree with Bill Clinton.

Then you oppose efforts to hold government spending hostage to further cuts?

 

[Alias]

It is? I've never seen that, until Obama was elected.


Cite some examples comparable to what Senate Minority Leader McConnell said, please.

Let me refresh your memory.

Here's Bach-to-Mom:

Now, can you show something similiar?

Why aren't Republicans working to restore prosperity? The fact that's not their goal speaks volumes.

So you've never seen the opposing party run a candidate against the sitting President in his first term? You don't remember Clinton opposing Bush I in 1992?

 

[Alias]

My opinion is that it's false, and you got it from a rightwing site.

Headlines have been floating around various news Web sites that suggest former President Bill Clinton, the pride of the modern Democratic Party, has espoused views that would make every conservative pundit smile: President Obama should not raise taxes on the wealthy.


While many have implied that Clinton has undermined the sitting president's economic policy with that statement, that isn't the case. In fact, Clinton never actually said that.


In an interview with Newsmax that was published on Tuesday, Clinton -- who spoke to the far-right leaning Web site to promote the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] annual gathering of his notable non-profit, the Clinton Global Initiative -- was critical of Obama's jobs plan.


Clinton noted that while Obama's plan does not include any tax increases, it does include, "$250 billion in tax cuts, $250 billion in spending over a period of two years."


He added that he, "personally [doesn't] believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground."


While Clinton was clearly discussing the jobs plan -- not the tax increase on millionaires that is part of a separate legislative effort -- Newsmax turned it, seemingly implying that the tax on the wealthy is so ludicrous that even the almighty Bill Clinton is against it with the headline "Ex-President Clinton to Newsmax: Raising Taxes Won't Work."


It should be mentioned that Newsmax is published by Christopher Ruddy, a conservative journalist who actively attacked Clinton and his colleagues during his presidency. According to multiple reports, Clinton and Ruddy developed a cordial relationship after Ruddy concluded that Clinton's actual record as president was not as offensive as those on the right signaled during his administration. Since, then, Clinton periodically gives interviews to Newsmax.


During the interview, Clinton actually took pains to emphasize the fact that he believes a bipartisan solution is necessary toward improving the country's slagging economy.


"What I would like to say to the president and Speaker Boehner is, OK, you both have your deal. Go work it out. Meanwhile, focus on putting America back to work because it just confused Americans. Americans lost the fact that whatever you feel about this millionaire surcharge, it won't solve the problem," Clinton told Newsmax.


Which is true. Taxing the wealthy certainly won't fix the U.S. debt problem by itself. Good thing that only about half of the $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue that Obama proposed is set to come from allowing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire. The other half will come from closing loopholes for special interests and limiting tax deductions and exclusions.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/218...t-work-bill-clinton-newsmax.htm#1_undefined,0_

I think we've finally found your problem. Your mind is closed. Is the Daily Kos a "right wing site"? LOL.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/21/1019048/-Thanks-for-the-betrayal,-Mr-Clinton-

 

[Damocles]

Are you claiming that you've proven your statement that "It's always the stated goal of the party not in power in the WH to make the other a one term President..." with the links you've provided?

It is always the goal of the party not in the WH to win the WH. It's stupid to suggest it isn't, it is absolutely stupid to pretend that anybody should believe you when you make such an idiotic claim.

You asked for "one example", I provided. We can also look up speeches, if they are still available, where Kerry repeatedly declared that they were going to make GWB a "one term President!"

 

[Rune]

He added that he, "personally [doesn't] believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground."

I agree with Bill Clinton.

If you agree with Clinton on not cutting spending now, then you must disagree with the TP.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

It is always the goal of the party not in the WH to win the WH. It's stupid to suggest it isn't, it is absolutely stupid to pretend that anybody should believe you when you make such an idiotic claim. You asked for "one example", I provided. We can also look up speeches, if they are still available, where Kerry repeatedly declared that they were going to make GWB a "one term President!"

Backing off your claim, I see.

This is what you said.

"It's always the stated goal of the party not in power in the WH to make the other a one term President..."

Yet I haven't seen one example of that from you, have I?

 

[Alias]

Backing off your claim, I see.

This is what you said.

"It's always the stated goal of the party not in power in the WH to make the other a one term President..."

Yet I haven't seen one example of that from you, have I?

Unbelievable. The opposing party always runs a candidate. What are you trying to prove here?