Obama Officially Worse Than Carter

Ya know...I love this fucking bogey man wingnuts have about Carter. So....ok...no one will ever mistake Carter as being a great President. So fucking what? He wasn't the bumbling incompetent moron who dug this nations into the biggest shithole it's been in since the great depression, like Bush did, nor was he a lying sack of shit war mongering paranoid criminal who disgraced the office like Nixon did. Fuck I'd take Carter in a heartbeat over another W or Nixon cause I seem to remember that when Carter was President kids my age weren't getting shipped off to war to die cause of some lying right wing politician, again, like they did under W and Nixon.

How fucking clueless can these wingnuts get? LOL
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Ya know...I love this fucking bogey man wingnuts have about Carter. So....ok...no one will ever mistake Carter as being a great President. So fucking what? He wasn't the bumbling incompetent moron who dug this nations into the biggest shithole it's been in since the great depression, like Bush did, nor was he a lying sack of shit war mongering paranoid criminal who disgraced the office like Nixon did. Fuck I'd take Carter in a heartbeat over another W or Nixon cause I seem to remember that when Carter was President kids my age weren't getting shipped off to war to die cause of some lying right wing politician, again, like they did under W and Nixon.

How fucking clueless can these wingnuts get? LOL
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Jimmy Carter gave a very impressive speech in 1979 which is even more true today.

 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Simple is the operative word here. Carter ruled out illegal arm sales in the negotiations, whilst Reagan was offering them to the Iranians in secret. If you want to be pedantic, and I know you do, you could call that negotiation. I prefer to call it treasonable and cynical behaviour, which is obviously why you have no problem with it.

Clinton was nearly booted out of office for lying, yet he is Reagan doing exactly that on national TV.

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That wide-eyed sincere look, that sanctimonious expression of heartfelt denial... ugh, what an effing phony that man was.
 
webbway said:
(US News) — President Obama’s slow ride down Gallup’s daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president at this stage of his term in modern political history.


Since March, Obama’s job approval rating has hovered above Carter’s, considered among the 20th century’s worst presidents, but today Obama’s punctured Carter’s dismal job approval line. On their comparison chart, Gallup put Obama’s job approval rating at 43 percent compared to Carter’s 51 percent.


Back in 1979, Carter was far below Obama until the Iran hostage crisis, eerily being duplicated in Tehran today with Iranian protesters storming the British embassy. The early days of the crisis helped Carter’s ratings, though his failure to win the release of captured Americans, coupled with a bad economy, led to his defeat by Ronald Reagan in 1980.


http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...11/29/obamas-job-approval-drops-below-carters


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His approval may be lower than Carter's, but that doesn't mean he'll lose in 2012. We don't have a Reagan.
 
DamnYankee said:
Because they knew he would kick their asses.

And?
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And anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that twelve years' worth of presidential records weren't sealed because each and every one was a national security issue. Something was being hidden and IMO the something was those presidents' collusion with terrorists.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Jimmy Carter gave a very impressive speech in 1979 which is even more true today.

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You know what's interesting is to go to Youtube and watch the Carter/Reagan Presidential debate. It's fascinating to watch particularly if your old enough to remember the debate when it actually occurred. Which I do. Now with 30 years of hindsight you can see the stark difference in Reagan's mastery of communication and staying on message and style over Carter's. This is what gave the preception, at the time of the debate, that Reagan has toasted Carter.

But when you listen to their positions on policy where Carter criticized Reagan, Carter was right on virtually every count as to what would happen if Reagan's policies were persued.

The speech you posted above I remember well. It was a big political mistake. Most every day Americans did not (and still do not) want to hear negative talk about their country. Even if it is valid. They want to hear "God Bless America!" and other uplifting rhetoric about what a great and glorious people we are, blah blah blah ad nauseum. Carther made a huge mistake with this speech even though his comments had validity. His tone, his negativity, his criticisms of our nation (even though valid and applicable) turned a lot of people off. It contrasted starkly to Mr. Rosy Sunshine Ronald Reagan and the "America can do no wrong" crowd. Carter came of like a Baptist Minister in this speech and not as a President of The United States. This wasn't the only example of Caters political niavette and not only was it exasperating to his supporters it cost him dearly politically.

This is where the wingnuts get their antipathy towards Carter. His style of realism sure as hell doesn't play well in right wing never never land. They don't want to hear this shit even if it is ture.

Carter campaigned as a peace President. He kept the peace after 12 years of Vietnam. He also had a brilliant grasp of geopolitical policy (unlike Reagan who was a complete nitwit on policy and had to delegate policy decisions to subordinates) and was a more then competent administrator.

None of which was able to compensate for his weaknesses, which was his inability work within the DC beaurocracy to get things done or forward a legislative agenda and his political niavette/ineptitude.

Like I said, no one will ever mistake Carter for being a great President but he wasn't a bad one, like W or Nixon, either. He draws similiar parallels to the first President Bush. An able and competent chief executive who was uninspiring and somewhat out of touch as a politician.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Ya know...I love this fucking bogey man wingnuts have about Carter. So....ok...no one will ever mistake Carter as being a great President. So fucking what? He wasn't the bumbling incompetent moron who dug this nations into the biggest shithole it's been in since the great depression, like Bush did,
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1) The hole Carter Dug for this country was double digit unemployment and double digit inflation. Add in the lack of growth and we had stagflation. One of the worst periods this country has seen.

2) While Bush did nothing to alleviate the situation, the economic crash was caused by which of his policies Mott? Funny how you enjoy re-creating history. It happened on Bush's watch to be sure. But let's not forget two things. It wasn't because of his policies.... and if something needed to be done... why is it the Dem led Congress did nothing? (time for Mott to run away again)

nor was he a lying sack of shit war mongering paranoid criminal who disgraced the office like Nixon did.
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That is true.

Fuck I'd take Carter in a heartbeat over another W or Nixon cause I seem to remember that when Carter was President kids my age weren't getting shipped off to war to die cause of some lying right wing politician, again, like they did under W and Nixon.
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ROFLMAO.... So Vietnam... who was it that escalated that? Does the name Johnson ring a bell? From about 20k troops under Kennedy to over 500k under Johnson. Yet you pretend it was Nixon that shipped them off?

How fucking clueless can these wingnuts get? LOL
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Just about as clueless as you I would imagine... though they would have to try very hard to sink that low.
 
christiefan915 said:
I knew there was something we could agree on. Only idiots would have elected and re-elected that phony.
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LMAO.... Yeah, elected and re-elected in landslide victories. His leadership smashed Carter's double digit inflation, smashed Carter's double digit unemployment and led us to one of the greatest economic bull market booms this country has seen. Other than a Bush Sr blip in 90/91, 18 years of a bull market. He cut marginal tax rates, eliminated loopholes and deductions, raised the cap gains tax to 40%.

He certainly had his faults and was far from perfect, but calling him a phony is something only a left wing loon would say. I don't see you in that camp, so I will assume you are just visiting for the moment.

Reagan was a LEADER, just as Clinton was. People may disagree with their policies or some of their decisions, but no one doubted their ability as effective leaders.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
!!! No...He wasn't!!!! He may not have gotten this nation out of W's shithole as quickly as we'd like but their is no mistaking that it was that incompetent bumbling boob Bush who got us into the shithole in the first place. Quit drinking the kool-aid.
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LMAO.... tell us Mott, what is it that Bush did that drove us into the 'ditch' Obama refers to?

The policy decision that had the most impact on our current situation was done by Clinton. Not Bush.

Bush was not a good President to be sure, but your non-stop bullshit is ridiculous. No matter how many times you stomp your feet, it was Clinton that repealed Glass Steagall. It was the DEMS who Controlled Congress the two years prior to the blow up. Yet not one piece of legislation came from them to solve Bush's bumblings as you put it. I wonder why?
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO.... tell us Mott, what is it that Bush did that drove us into the 'ditch' Obama refers to?

The policy decision that had the most impact on our current situation was done by Clinton. Not Bush.

Bush was not a good President to be sure, but your non-stop bullshit is ridiculous. No matter how many times you stomp your feet, it was Clinton that repealed Glass Steagall. It was the DEMS who Controlled Congress the two years prior to the blow up. Yet not one piece of legislation came from them to solve Bush's bumblings as you put it. I wonder why?
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One of the things that Bush did was to weaken CRA enforcement and the law’s reach which happened more or less from the start of Bush's time in office.

Finally, keep in mind that the Bush administration has been weakening CRA enforcement and the law’s reach since the day it took office. The CRA was at its strongest in the 1990s, under the Clinton administration, a period when subprime loans performed quite well. It was only after the Bush administration cut back on CRA enforcement that problems arose, a timing issue which should stop those blaming the law dead in their tracks. The Federal Reserve, too, did nothing but encourage the wild west of lending in recent years. It wasn’t until the middle of 2007 that the Fed decided it was time to crack down on abusive pratices in the subprime lending market. Oops.
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http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
 
Damocles said:
That speech is what lost him the election.
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That and the debate. I agree. Had not been so negative and had advanced a positive and optimistic message he darned well could have beaten Reagan cause, at that time, a lot of people were very concerned about Reagan getting us into another uneccasary war and his vodoo economic policies. If I remember correctly, Carter was leading in the polls until he gave this speech and that was the beginning of his precipitate decline. His debate against Reagan, with more of his negative tone, sealed the deal.

In principle I agreed with much that Carter said. It was his style and tone of negativity and pessimism that alienated people.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Proof positive that voters prefer lies to the truth.
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Ehhhh....Kinda. People would rather hear optimistic bullshit then unpleasant truths. That's for sure. Carter would do things with good intentions, honesty and integrity that were so fucking politically niave that one would shake their heads in disbelief. He was not a bad man or a bad President but good lord could he be a boob politicallly.

What would have been interesting in 1980 was if Bush had won the primary and then we would had a disconnected North East establishment aristocrat vs a disconnected southern aristrocrat.
 
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