Obama making historic mistake on Social Security
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Agreed. I'll be extraordinarily dissapointed if he were to saddle SS to the CPI. There's no call for such a compromise.
signalmankenneth
Verified User
Just vote those tea party kooks and loonies and deficit hawk republicans out of office in the mid-terms!
I'm Watermark
Diabetic
You think this is their fault? Obama cutting SS is nothing new. It's just more privatization from faux-democrats.
I'm Watermark
Diabetic
Inversely. I speculate that calling this a compromise will hide his intentions well. While he proposes the cuts he sees as ideal, he can blame it on Republicans - with an "I offered the cuts they wanted" spin. This will appease the left wing of his party. His other policies do a good job of reflecting this.
Althea
Althea told me...
I actually like the Medicare cuts in this offer. Negotiated rates with Big Pharma, and an increase in premium payments to wealthy retirees. I see nothing wrong with that, especially since those who avoid taxation via cap gains tax liability only, don't even pay for Medicare. The only cuts to SSI should be a revamp of the disability system to rid it of fraud, as well as means testing for retirees
I'm Watermark
Diabetic
I don't know what you personally believe. But I can speak for your party. They preach the slimming down of social entitlements, but there's little to say this wouldn't cause harm. Eliminating fraud? Sure. Do that with a review of the programs to see if cuts are necessary - then cut them if it comes to that. Don't just skip the first bit.
Althea
Althea told me...
Doesn't that depend on the slimming? What's wrong with his approach to Medicare? SSI is more complex. I don't see that passing anywhere. Especially since it has nothing to do with the deficit
I'm Watermark
Diabetic
Haha. Interesting. Such faith in them. Well, I have no problem with his approach to Medicare. Some basic politicking is a prerequisite of policy in a democracy. What I have a problem with is the role of Big Pharma. Obama should not have to negotiate with them. They have no place in political affairs. If he wants something from them, he should get it. Shut them down, evict the parasites that suck the blood of the companies, and so on. See, It shows a failing of our political system when temporarily elected dictators determine policy with representatives of the ruling class. And nobody dares question it.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Good, the old have lived long enough.
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#AMERICAISDEAD
So the big eared Kenyan born illigitimate prick is playing politics and not trying to solve the problem?
Thanks for clarifying
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Like hell we do. SS is not part of the problem. It's sustainable for quite a way into the future and would have been even more so had not politicians raided it over the years. Instead of undermining SS Obama should be insisting that those misappropriated funds be returned to the SS trust fund. He only has to raise the payroll tax cap and SS is solvent far, far into the future.
There is much I'm willing to compromise on. This is not one of them.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Bullshit. It's stupid politically. Repubs are going to go out in the midterm election and pound sand up peoples ass that Dems and President Obama want to cut the SS benefits Grandma and Grandpa earned and paid their whole lives for.
You don't think that won't be an effective political attack?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Don't push it Captian Howdy. You're not to far off from old age yourself by Detroit standards.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Yeah and have my own retirement plan. Listen, anyone in my generation who's planning for retirement doesn't think ss is gonna be there. Its a wash, wasted money we'll never get back.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Anyone who didn't see this coming .. didn't know that Obama has planned to cut Social Security and Medicare since the day he walked into office is either blind/partisan or is simply not a serious critical thinker. It couldn't have possibly been more obvious.
Before anyone goes blasting away at the Tea Party .. they'd best take a slow walk past the mirror first.
Democrats have allowed Obama to do any-fucking-thing he wants to do without a peep of opposition from them. The biggest complaint democrats had about Bush was his foreign policy .. YET, Obama is conducting the Bush foreign policy on steroids and suddenly the slaughter of innocent people is OK with democrats.
Kill Americans citizens without trail. .. No problem
NDAA/Patriot Act .. no problem.
Invade a small nation that poses no threat to America in any way, shape, or form .. use elements of AL QUEDA to slaughter its citizens .. especially the black ones .. all based on false pretenses .. NO PROBLEM
Murder countless innocent children and destroy families throughout the ME and Africa with what the UN is now investigating as war crimes with drones .. no problem
Give the republicans 99% of what they wanted in the Bush tax cuts .. no problem.
Allow the health insurance industry to write a health 'reform' law that not only was responsible for one of the greatest republican takeovers of the House in American history and a disaster in the 2010 midterm .. but one that is also going to lead to a disaster in the 2014 midterms .. NO PROBLEM
That and much more .. NOW on top of all that .. in a crisis of OBAMA'S OWN MAKING he plans to do exactly what he has planned all along by cutting entitlements .. and democrats want to blame it on the Tea Party.
... amazing
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
If even Paul Ryan didn't call for cutting Social Security .. then where is this coming from?
Obama Is the Driving Force Behind Cutting Your Social Security
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Official budgets, be they from the President or one house of Congress, are non-binding statements of principle. They are how that group wants to see the country operate in the next few years. Despite what defenders of Obama may claim this budget is in fact no different. It is not about “negotiating.”
In Obama’s ideal world old people would see their Social Security benefits cut. Even though the pension system is disappearing and the 401k system has proven to have significant issues, Obama still feels one of the biggest problems in the country he needs to address is the fact that old people have it too good.
Obama didn’t put chained-CPI in for Republicans, regardless what he may claim. While Republicans like to talk a big game on entitlements they have shown no real interest in cutting benefits for current retirees, who are the most important part of their base. They even expanded entitlements under Bush and they purposely set their Medicare plan to not affect anyone over age 55. Republicans didn’t even include chained-CPI in their House budget.
The single biggest driving force behind trying to cut your Social Security in Washington is President Obama. At every turn Obama has worked hard to keep the idea alive despite it is a horrible idea that is incredibly unpopular. This is not something Obama is being forced to accept, it is what he has been pushing for.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/20...ng-force-behind-cutting-your-social-security/
Bring on the midterms.
Obama Is the Driving Force Behind Cutting Your Social Security
excerpt --
Official budgets, be they from the President or one house of Congress, are non-binding statements of principle. They are how that group wants to see the country operate in the next few years. Despite what defenders of Obama may claim this budget is in fact no different. It is not about “negotiating.”
In Obama’s ideal world old people would see their Social Security benefits cut. Even though the pension system is disappearing and the 401k system has proven to have significant issues, Obama still feels one of the biggest problems in the country he needs to address is the fact that old people have it too good.
Obama didn’t put chained-CPI in for Republicans, regardless what he may claim. While Republicans like to talk a big game on entitlements they have shown no real interest in cutting benefits for current retirees, who are the most important part of their base. They even expanded entitlements under Bush and they purposely set their Medicare plan to not affect anyone over age 55. Republicans didn’t even include chained-CPI in their House budget.
The single biggest driving force behind trying to cut your Social Security in Washington is President Obama. At every turn Obama has worked hard to keep the idea alive despite it is a horrible idea that is incredibly unpopular. This is not something Obama is being forced to accept, it is what he has been pushing for.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/20...ng-force-behind-cutting-your-social-security/
Bring on the midterms.