Obama Is Really 'Trying'

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Speaking on Syria to 'the people.' Of course it's a Friday morning, not exactly prime time. How seriously though is he trying? He canceled fund raisers in LA. That's serious!

Why is he doing this? He's losing, badly. I guess currently Congress, even a substantial number of democrats are hating on brown children and acting immoral:

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-aff...needs-game-changer-to-win-house-vote-on-syria

Obama needs game-changer to win House vote on Syria
By Ian Swanson and Jeremy Herb - 09/05/13 05:32 PM ET

President Obama’s request for congressional approval of a military strike in Syria is facing failure and could need a significant game-changer to pass the House.

While the authorization request might pass the Democratic-controlled Senate, substantial numbers of war-weary Republicans and Democrats oppose it in the GOP-held House.

The administration has launched an all-out offensive to turn the tide, with President Obama making calls to lawmakers and Cabinet members offering both classified and unclassified briefings. So far, it’s failed to reverse the drift of congressional or public opinion.

A Washington Post/ABC poll released this week found 59 percent of voters opposed a military strike, while a Pew Research poll found opposition at 48 percent.

According to The Hill's Whip List, 100 House members are now "no" votes or are leaning against military authorization. Seventy-two of them are Republicans and 28 are Democrats. Only 31 House members — 10 Republicans and 21 Democrats — are "yes" votes or are "leaning yes."

Those numbers make it clear the administration certainly has a long way to go to secure majority approval. Here are some things it is considering or may need to consider.

Have Obama address nation As I pointed out in opening, he's doing that currently, it is not prime time.

The White House says the president is actively thinking about making an address to the country on Syria, something lawmakers on both sides have urged him to consider.

Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) called it a necessary step, and predicted Obama would make the address “later this week.”

In an interview with The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein, Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) suggested it was the best way for Obama to shift momentum.

“I think he’ll need to go on TV, in primetime,” Sherman said. “The active public is against this. I don’t know a member of Congress whose e-mails and phone calls are in favor of this.”


Calls for a national address have also come from GOP Sen. John Cornyn (Texas).

The risk for Obama is that in delivering a prime-time address from the Oval Office to the public on Syria, he will dramatically raise the stakes. If the House rejects the authorization after a dramatic plea from Obama, it will diminish his standing even more.

But the stakes are already high, and if the president loses the House vote and doesn’t give a speech, people will surely second-guess the decision.

Mark Pfeifle, who was deputy national security adviser for strategic communications in the George W. Bush administration, said Obama missed a key opportunity this week to shape public opinion by focusing on Congress.

Now he has to double down to try to win back public sentiment.

“It has to go beyond congressional hearings, which are important, but it has to go to talking every day to people where they are in coffee shops talking about this,” Pfeifle said.

Improve his case

Lawmakers receiving classified briefings say they’re convinced Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against civilians.

The public — which hasn’t seen the same evidence — isn’t as sure.

The Obama administration faces an uphill climb in Syria partly because of the Iraq War, which was launched on the faulty intelligence — described as “slam-dunk” intel by then-CIA chief George Tenet — that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is arguing publicly that U.S. evidence of chemical weapons use by the Assad regime is flimsy, and many Americans believe him.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Thursday said the CIA would provide a DVD of the attack to all lawmakers to convince them of the need for action.

“I think that the prohibition on chemical weapons is well founded, and after you watch exactly what happens, you can see why that’s so,” said Feinstein, who supports Obama's call for action.

What might be even more necessary is to provide the public with some of those images — and the intelligence tha's convinced the administration of the need for a strike.

Tend to the base

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) will back a strike, but they aren’t whipping their members.

And most House Republicans aren’t going to vote for Obama. The president could be looking at a scenario where he — at best — wins just 80 Republican votes.

That means Obama must win Democrats.

Many on the left are philosophically opposed to a strike in Syria, but they are politically inclined to back the president.

There are already signs that Obama realizes this.

On Monday, Obama will send national security adviser Susan Rice to a briefing with the Congressional Black Caucus.

Courting these members and then securing as many of their votes as possible is the best chance Obama has of pulling a victory out of the House.

Roll up sleeves and do the work

Obama has repeatedly been criticized for an unwillingness to put in the work necessary to get his way with Congress.

To win on Syria, he’s going to have to make calls, bring people to the White House and in some cases twist some arms.

Obama launched a charm offensive earlier this year with centrist Senate Republicans in the hope of securing a fiscal deal. It failed.

The president’s calls and pleadings could find an easier audience with Democrats who don’t want to see the president suffer a humiliating defeat.

While in Russia at the G-20, Obama started calling members of the Senate.

He’ll have to double his efforts to win in the House.
 
hes losing badly?


don't you mean the international laws against chemical weapons in the world is losing after being in place for nearly 100 years?
 
all you can see of this is poltical hey.


this is about a 100 year old international BAN ON CHEMICAL WEAPONS!'

DEAD BABIES

not your fucking political motives.

You travel so low you leave snail trails
 
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?55014-Selling-Syria-vis–à–vis-Iran-N.-Korea
^Obama has a lot of cards left to play ,I wish he was losing on this, but never underestimate the Fear Factor (link above)

On Monday, Obama will send national security adviser Susan Rice to a briefing with the Congressional Black Caucus.

Courting these members and then securing as many of their votes as possible is the best chance Obama has of pulling a victory out of the House.

Roll up sleeves and do the work

Obama has repeatedly been criticized for an unwillingness to put in the work necessary to get his way with Congress.

To win on Syria, he’s going to have to make calls, bring people to the White House and in some cases twist some arms.

Obama launched a charm offensive earlier this year with centrist Senate Republicans in the hope of securing a fiscal deal. It failed.

The president’s calls and pleadings could find an easier audience with Democrats who don’t want to see the president suffer a humiliating defeat.
war weary or not, the US War Machine has a life of it's own, all Obama has to do is gin up the paranoia, the "loyal Dems"
The Republican warhawks, Black Congrssional Caucus, and the damn authorization will pass - even though no-one really supports it .

Wars/interventions are very hard to stop, once the idea gets percolating
 
Is your complete lack of compassion for dead innocents why you supported Ronny rayguns when he sold sadam chem weapons and laughed when sadam killed thousands with them?
 
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?55014-Selling-Syria-vis–à–vis-Iran-N.-Korea

Obama has a lot of cards left to play,I wish he was loosing on this, but never underestimate the Fear Factor (link above)

war weary or not, the US War Machine has a life of it's own, all Obama has to do is gin up the paranoia, the "loyal Dems"

The Republican warhawks, Black Congrssional Caucus, and the damn authorization will pass -even though no-one really supports it .

Wars/interventions are very hard to stop, once the idea gets percolating



so you think the nearly 100 year old international Laws on the ban of chemical weapons is wrong?
 
Speaking on Syria to 'the people.' Of course it's a Friday morning, not exactly prime time. How seriously though is he trying? He canceled fund raisers in LA. That's serious!

Why is he doing this? He's losing, badly. I guess currently Congress, even a substantial number of democrats are hating on brown children and acting immoral:

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-aff...needs-game-changer-to-win-house-vote-on-syria

That was very well stated.

Is he a LEADER or not?
 
this is a nearly 100 year old international law.

why are you people so quick to ignore those laws?
 
As the Huffington Post puts it, "Obama is pleading for war."

President Obama could lose big on Syria in House

If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big.
That’s the private assessment of House Republican and Democratic lawmakers and aides who are closely involved in the process.

If the Senate passes a use-of-force resolution next week — which is no sure thing — the current dynamics suggest that the House would defeat it. That would represent a dramatic failure for Obama, and once again prove that his sway over Congress is extraordinarily limited. The loss would have serious reverberations throughout the next three months, when Obama faces off against Congress in a series of high-stakes fiscal battles.

more
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-syria-house-vote-96347.html
 
Desh's SPAMpaign is just another of O-BOMB-YA's failures to coerce, frighten or cajole Americans into backing his immoral attack on Syria.
 
I am not seeing the big picture here. I agree that Obama does not seem to be trying very hard to "win". I cant tell if there is some political game going on where he feels his interests are better served by trying to get authorization then failing, or if he is simply doing a bad job or what. For the man that got the ACA passed he does not seem to be getting much progress on this Syria deal.
 
its his style

Low key.


people have always been saying about him "hes doesn't look like hes trying".


he is not a showboat
 
why is no one talking about the fact that these weapons have been internationally illegal for nearly 100 years?
 
its his style

Low key.


people have always been saying about him "hes doesn't look like hes trying".


he is not a showboat

You might be right, he seems to pull it out in the end.

I've been accused of that myself, because I don't do a lot of chest pounding or create a lot of bluster before a trial.
 
I am not seeing the big picture here. I agree that Obama does not seem to be trying very hard to "win". I cant tell if there is some political game going on where he feels his interests are better served by trying to get authorization then failing, or if he is simply doing a bad job or what. For the man that got the ACA passed he does not seem to be getting much progress on this Syria deal.

Of course many/most Americans see the ACA as an example of how bumbling he's been all along. There's nothing surprising about this Obama failure.

Ahh .. one other thing .. the judgement of democrats becomes a glaring question .. not for me of course .. but the fact that its taken this long for democrats to see what Obama is and has always been is in question.
 
why is no one talking about the fact that these weapons have been internationally illegal for nearly 100 years?

That's important, but people are so weary after Iraq. We might have learned a lesson about picking the battles that really matter or that we can have some affect upon. There is a lot of misinformation about what Obama is proposing also. People think he is talking about an invasion with boots on the ground. They think he is talking about entering the war.
 
I am not seeing the big picture here. I agree that Obama does not seem to be trying very hard to "win". I cant tell if there is some political game going on where he feels his interests are better served by trying to get authorization then failing, or if he is simply doing a bad job or what. For the man that got the ACA passed he does not seem to be getting much progress on this Syria deal.


Well, it's complicated, isn't it?

I suspect that there will a primetime address early next week (probably Tuesday - can't fuck with Monday Night Football) after the AIPAC offensive on the lobbying front. Congress isn't going to vote on it today or tomorrow so no sense in ramping up the public case now.
 
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