Obama Hitler Youth

Much ado about nothing here I see.

Adding a requirement to graduate that involes a class in coummunity work.

wow big scandal
 
blackascoal said:
"Mandatory Youth Srvice" Bill Advances

Congress appears ready to pass an Obama administration plan that could create mandatory public service requirements for all American youth, fulfilling a campaign promise.

The bill, HR 1388: The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, otherwise known as the "GIVE Act," has already passed the House by a vote of 321-105.

On Tuesday, the Senate voted closure on the motion to proceed by a margin of 74-14 in a move that makes its ultimate passage likely.

The bill, promoted by the Obama administration as a means of encouraging America's youth to participate in voluntary community service, has received little scrutiny from Congress or the public.

Yet, a version of the bill in the House proposes to establish a Congressional Commission on Civil Service tasked with determining whether a mandatory service requirement for all young people in America could be developed and implemented, though it is not clear that provision will survive a conference committee.

more at link --
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92902
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It's World Net Daily. It's not a news source. Just because it dovetails with your prior beliefs doesn't mean it is true.

And, as I said, I read the article linked in the OP. It's just plain wrong, as is the WND piece.
 
evince said:
Much ado about nothing here I see.

Adding a requirement to graduate that involes a class in coummunity work.

wow big scandal
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I guarantee that you would not be as apathetic to such legislation if Bush had proposed it .. which goes far beyond simply adding a class.

As a liberal, you should be against this and anyother such proposal my good sister .. in my opinion.
 
Introducing kids how to be involved in their community is not a bad thing.

Hell look at all the attention we pay to teaching them about sex?

Everyone knows and parses what they learn in a sex ed class, the same can be done in the community action class.
 
Dungheap said:
It's World Net Daily. It's not a news source. Just because it dovetails with your prior beliefs doesn't mean it is true.

And, as I said, I read the article linked in the OP. It's just plain wrong, as is the WND piece.
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Attacking the source is what the other side does my brother.

I've also posted a CNN video of Obama talking about mandatory service.

With respect, this is where the partisanship of democrats meets the road .. just as with the issue of war.
 
evince said:
Introducing kids how to be involved in their community is not a bad thing.

Hell look at all the attention we pay to teaching them about sex?

Everyone knows and parses what they learn in a sex ed class, the same can be done in the community action class.
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The defining question my friend .. would you be supportive of this if Bush had proposed it?

Parents and spirituality introduces kids to community service, not the president.
 
blackascoal said:
The defining question my friend .. would you be supportive of this if Bush had proposed it?

Parents and spirituality introduces kids to community service, not the president.
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Nah, there'd be some huge broohaha on how you can't force patriotism and the fact that making it mandatory would be against rights outlined in the constitution.

Somebody already dismissed those ideas, propounded by myself, earlier.
 
blackascoal said:
Attacking the source is what the other side does my brother.

I've also posted a CNN video of Obama talking about mandatory service.

With respect, this is where the partisanship of democrats meets the road .. just as with the issue of war.
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Obama talking about it and passing legislation requiring it are two very different things. In order for mandatory service to become law, it has to be passed by Congress. This bill does not require mandatory service from anyone anywhere.
 
Dungheap said:
Obama talking about it and passing legislation requiring it are two very different things. In order for mandatory service to become law, it has to be passed by Congress. This bill does not require mandatory service from anyone anywhere.
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it did at one time..they took it out in order to get it passed..
 
Dungheap said:
Obama talking about it and passing legislation requiring it are two very different things. In order for mandatory service to become law, it has to be passed by Congress. This bill does not require mandatory service from anyone anywhere.
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As I said in my first post, this is a slippery-slope that should not be supported.

Why is there legislation about voluntary service for our youth? That makes no sense. If it's voluntary, why is a bill required?
 
meme said:
it did at one time..they took it out in order to get it passed..
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No. At one point it did indeed have a provision for setting up the congressional committee to explore, among eleven other topics, whether:

a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds
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Granted, it was included because some folks in Congress and the President think its a good idea, but studying the subject and implementing it as law are very very different things.

But, the study couldn't even get past the House, let alone an actual mandatory service requirement.
 
Dungheap said:
No. At one point it did indeed have a provision for setting up the congressional committee to explore, among eleven other topics, whether:



Granted, it was included because some folks in Congress and the President think its a good idea, but studying the subject and implementing it as law are very very different things.

But, the study couldn't even get past the House, let alone an actual mandatory service requirement.
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yet.
 
blackascoal said:
The defining question my friend .. would you be supportive of this if Bush had proposed it?

Parents and spirituality introduces kids to community service, not the president.
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School can do it too.

More kids would become involved in their communities if they had a path to it.

I would have definately supported Bush having kids taught about how to go about doing community service.

At one time people said the same about sex ed as you do about this.
 
blackascoal said:
As I said in my first post, this is a slippery-slope that should not be supported.

Why is there legislation about voluntary service for our youth? That makes no sense. If it's voluntary, why is a bill required?
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I'm not going to bother arguing about this with you. There are all sorts of federal programs that have been around for decades that fund and support myriad volunteer service programs.
 
blackascoal said:
I don't think this is worth arguing too deeply at this point .. but it demonstrates partisanship and what I don't like about it.

Please explain this ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2y...andatory-service.html&feature=player_embedded

What in the fuck is he talking about?
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I'm not going to watch but I assume it is a video of Obama talking about implementing mandatory service. We can agree that he supports mandatory service. I understand that. I don't support it. But this bill isn't that.
 
Dungheap said:
I'm not going to watch but I assume it is a video of Obama talking about implementing mandatory service. We can agree that he supports mandatory service. I understand that. I don't support it. But this bill isn't that.
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I'm not talking about the bill in this post .. and what he's saying in this video is that America needs a civilian force as strong as the military.

For what?

Forget about the bill, Obama's belief in mandatory service is scary as hell and should be LOUDLY opposed .. in my opinion.
 
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