Obama breaking his old records, what a guy

[Bonestorm]

Dung's problem appears to be that he's actually trying to have a discussion with you...complete with nuanced responses.

He doesn't understand you don't really care about discussion and all you want is another shot at hurling some more derision and petty taunts at him...i.e. your "poor little parrot" nonsense.

This ain't my first rodeo, Zap. I know the game. It's fun to watch. As SF's arguments get worse and worse he gets more and more condescending and snide. I think that subconsciously he realizes how fucking stupid his substantive arguments are so his lizard mind forces him to be a dick to overcompensate.

 

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This ain't my first rodeo, Zap. I know the game. It's fun to watch. As SF's arguments get worse and worse he gets more and more condescending and snide. I think that subconsciously he realizes how fucking stupid his substantive arguments are so his lizard mind forces him to be a dick to overcompensate.

Ouch! Somebody's going to be holding their behind after that!

 

[DamnYankee]

Oh I could easily answer your question...my time is just too important to be wasting it answering a question from you when I know you will just ignore what I've written and instead once again respond with more taunts and derision.

LOL You're time isn't important at all. You got no wife, no family. No job where you have to think. LOL

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Ouch! Somebody's going to be holding their behind after that!

Not in the least... that is precisely what Dung does once he realizes he has lost an argument. Because he knows the feeble minded liberals on this board will get all excited by it.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

You have a really weird definition of "blocking" and "obstruction." I've seen and heard my fair share of unmitigated horseshit over the years, but pretending that the majority party is engaged in "obstruction" and "blocking" legisltation simply by virtue of acting like the majority party easily makes a top-5 contribution. The further argument that the majority party acting like the majority party is the exact same thing as the minority party making unprecedented use of the filibuster to force pretty much any susbtantive legislation to require a 60 vote supermajority to pass easily puts it in the top-3. LOLers.

LMAO... again, they are the majority in the SENATE... you whine because the minority is acting like the minority. That they should just bend over and take whatever Reid wants to bring to the floor. If Reid brought the House bills up for a vote, then perhaps they would be more willing to do the same for him. But Reid won't. How many times has he blocked House Jobs bills? How many times has he blocked votes on Keystone? How many times has he failed to bring a budget to a vote?

Yeah, he is blocking the votes from occurring, then people like you whine when the Reps return fire. Morons like you pretend that it isn't the same when your party does it.

Yes, I "pretend" that the majority party acting as the majority party is not obstruction, not because the majority party doing exactly that is how the system has worked for 200 years, but because I'm a hack -- nay -- a "complete partisan hack." LOL.

You are indeed a complete partisan hack. Because you are whining about the minority party doing what the minority party can do in this system. If the majority tries to cram their bills down the throat of the minority, the minority can do exactly what it is now doing. That is also how the system is set up. To prevent the majority from running rough shod over the minority. Reid has no interest in compromise. Because he knows there are enough idiots out there that will believe him when he says it is just the Reps being obstructionist.

 

[zappasguitar]

This ain't my first rodeo, Zap. I know the game. It's fun to watch. As SF's arguments get worse and worse he gets more and more condescending and snide. I think that subconsciously he realizes how fucking stupid his substantive arguments are so his lizard mind forces him to be a dick to overcompensate.

One can certainly read SF's posts and see it happening right in front of their eyes.

His conclusions get more and more convoluted and as they do the snide condescension creeps in and the number of taunts and derisive put downs increases until at last he's left with nothing to post in response but the same tired vulgarity.

 

[Bonestorm]

LMAO... again, they are the majority in the SENATE... you whine because the minority is acting like the minority. That they should just bend over and take whatever Reid wants to bring to the floor. If Reid brought the House bills up for a vote, then perhaps they would be more willing to do the same for him. But Reid won't. How many times has he blocked House Jobs bills? How many times has he blocked votes on Keystone? How many times has he failed to bring a budget to a vote?

Yeah, he is blocking the votes from occurring, then people like you whine when the Reps return fire. Morons like you pretend that it isn't the same when your party does it.

Like I said, you have an odd definition of "blocking" and "obstruction." It's a definition that is unique to you alone. I literally know of no other person in the world that thinks that the majority party controlling what bills go to the floor for a vote can be appropriately characterized as "obstruction." And, yes, the minority party is acting like the minority, but they've taken it to an unprecedented level never seen before and the fact that they using tools available to minority parties does not mean that is isn't obstruction.

You are indeed a complete partisan hack. Because you are whining about the minority party doing what the minority party can do in this system. If the majority tries to cram their bills down the throat of the minority, the minority can do exactly what it is now doing. That is also how the system is set up. To prevent the majority from running rough shod over the minority. Reid has no interest in compromise. Because he knows there are enough idiots out there that will believe him when he says it is just the Reps being obstructionist.

But it is just the Republicans being obstructionist. That's a very basic and simple truth. You have this dumbass mutli-layered argument that the Republicans aren't being obstructionist (when they are); that the Democrats are being obstructionist too (when they aren't); that the Democrat obstruction is exactly the same as the Republican (when it isn't).

I mean, it's one thing to argue that the Republicans are being obstructionist and that's OK, but this other nonsense about Democrats doing the exact same thing is hilarious.

 

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Like I said, you have an odd definition of "blocking" and "obstruction." It's a definition that is unique to you alone. I literally know of no other person in the world that thinks that the majority party controlling what bills go to the floor for a vote can be appropriately characterized as "obstruction." And, yes, the minority party is acting like the minority, but they've taken it to an unprecedented level never seen before and the fact that they using tools available to minority parties does not mean that is isn't obstruction.

As I stated, you are a complete partisan hack. You cannot see reality as long as you keep your partisan blinders on.

If the Senate continually refuses to vote, what else is it other than obstruction? They are preventing the bill from ever getting a vote... the same fucking thing the minority party is doing. You seem to think that because they are the majority, it is somehow not obstruction.

Yes, as we have seen the country become more and more polarized, we have likewise seen an increase in how much the minority resorts to such measures. But guess what twit... just because they do it more, doesn't mean it isn't the way the system was intended. If the Dems are going to insist on forcing only their items through for a vote, then they are going to be met with such resistance. The same fucking thing would happen in reverse if the Dems were in the minority.

You and your ilk simply cry 'obstruction' every time the Reps do it to you. When in reality what you are saying is 'they won't let us do whatever we want!!! Boo hoo hoo!'

But it is just the Republicans being obstructionist. That's a very basic and simple truth. You have this dumbass mutli-layered argument that the Republicans aren't being obstructionist (when they are); that the Democrats are being obstructionist too (when they aren't); that the Democrat obstruction is exactly the same as the Republican (when it isn't).

Except it isn't the truth. It is your partisan version of the truth. You can't even keep what I have said straight you are so warped. I have never said the Reps aren't being obstructionist you dolt. I said both parties are doing it.

So very typical of you to create a straw man once you realize you have lost.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Why shouldn't they? Isn't that the purpose of a vote? It's pure obstructionism and you well know it. Don't be disingenuous.

otherwise known as the "Yes we CAN have it both ways if we say we can" defense.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh come on, your posts are just way overdone with the condescending contempt.

actually, I think they are more accusatory than condescending....in order to be condescending he would have to imply that your ignorance is excused by some factor he could use to belittle you..........no one here is actually pretending your ignorance is excused.....

 

[NOVA]

So when he tells us emphatically that 'it isn't the same in reverse', then proclaims that he didn't just tell us that... I should go easy on the poor fool?

Cute how you continually defend him though. Tell us, why is it that his non-stop condescension doesn't draw your ire?

One don't comprehend what he writes and the other don't comprehend what she reads.....go figure.

 

[NOVA]

But they can block the House bills from coming to a vote in the Senate you douche bag. Which is precisely what Reid does. You think that because the mechanism is different that the obstruction is somehow not occurring. In reality, both parties are presenting bills they know the opposition will not agree to and then they are taking turns blocking each others bills with the means at their disposal.

But you pretend this is not the case... because you are a complete partisan hack.

No matter how clearly you explain it, he don't get it....

 

[Howey]

Morons like you pretend that it isn't the same when your party does it.

We've been through this a thousand times on here and you still don't get it. (Natch)

So, I'll let you tell us, SF. Which is it?

You don't understand.

You don't want to understand.

You don't care and just want to parrot other idiots.

Look at the chart below and tell the class what it says:

 

[NOVA]

Who said that?

Right now, with the filibuster, a lot of bills which have majority support don't pass. THAT is what is wrong.

If we actually had majority rule in the Senate, then the minority party has the chance to convince some of the majority party to vote against the bill. And that certainly happens.

Try again.....the dung claims that bills passed in the House don't get to a vote in the Senate because there isn't enough support to pass the bill....

IF there isn't enough support to pass the bill they don't allow a vote...that means that ANY bill voted on in the Senate automatically will pass ....

Don't you people understand your own posts at all.....?

No body is talking about Senate bills getting a vote but bills already passed by the House.

Incidentally, if the Democrats would negioate with the other side in the Senate, they'd get bills passed....but they won't, so they don't.

 

[NOVA]

I can read just fine the first time...see what I mean? That's condescending.

You might be able to read, you just don't seen to understand what you read.

 

[NOVA]

You have a really weird definition of "blocking" and "obstruction." I've seen and heard my fair share of unmitigated horseshit over the years, but pretending that the majority party is engaged in "obstruction" and "blocking" legisltation simply by virtue of acting like the majority party easily makes a top-5 contribution. The further argument that the majority party acting like the majority party is the exact same thing as the minority party making unprecedented use of the filibuster to force pretty much any susbtantive legislation to require a 60 vote supermajority to pass easily puts it in the top-3. LOLers.




Yes, I "pretend" that the majority party acting as the majority party is not obstruction, not because the majority party doing exactly that is how the system has worked for 200 years, but because I'm a hack -- nay -- a "complete partisan hack." LOL.

Their is no filibuster on bills passed by the House and ignored by the Senate...they are blocked by not getting a vote in the Senate....
The Senate majority leader just refuses to allow a vote....in effect, ONE MAN with the power of a filibuster......dirty Harry in this case.

Elementary Basic Civics 101

 

[NOVA]

Try again.....the dung claims that bills passed in the House don't get to a vote in the Senate because there isn't enough support to pass the bill....

IF there isn't enough support to pass the bill they don't allow a vote...that means that ANY bill voted on in the Senate automatically will pass ....

Don't you people understand your own posts at all.....?

No body is talking about Senate bills getting a vote but bills already passed by the House.

Incidentally, if the Democrats would negioate with the other side in the Senate, they'd get bills passed....but they won't, so they don't.

Try this circular reasoning....or have someone explain it to you.

Originally Posted by Dungheap
And, no, the Democrats are not blocking Republican bills. You see, generally speaking, in order for a bill to pass the Senate a majority of Senators must vote in favor of the bill. A bill that has less than majority support -- like the dumbass bills that the House Republicans pass -- can't be "blocked" or "obstructed" because they don't have majority support in the first instance. (I guess Harry Reid could bring them to the floor to have them voted down if that would make you happy. I'll email him and aks him since your happiness should be the world's first priority.)

 

[Althea]

I'm guessing one of us has a job!

I'm guessing that you don't, then.

I find its a matter of increased business and the complexity thereof, like Obama said your gonna need more than high school.

Incorrect. It isn't all that 'complex'. More business, means more demand. More demand, means more jobs. Were you absent when they covered that?

Nobody lays off workers when demand remains high. There's no money to be made by investing in stocks, unless you put huge amounts of money in, and create artificial values. Then you can reap the benefits when you dump it...as the big players are doing RIGHT NOW.

It's much easier to manipulate the futures markets. That does nothing to increase demand, and therefore, does nothing to create jobs.

 

[Althea]

I'm guessing one of us has a job!

Their is no filibuster on bills passed by the House and ignored by the Senate...they are blocked by not getting a vote in the Senate....
The Senate majority leader just refuses to allow a vote....in effect, ONE MAN with the power of a filibuster......dirty Harry in this case.

Elementary Basic Civics 101

Still waiting for someone to give us an example of a bill that was worth bringing to a vote.

 

[Althea]

lol... my point was that the left loves screaming that the Reps are 'obstructionists' because they refuse to pass what the DEMS want. The same holds true in reverse. The Dem led Senate won't pass what the House Reps want either. It is the inability for the two parties to compromise that causes little to nothing being done to improve the economic conditions.

Just look at the 'priorities' of Congress of late. Immigration and gay rights... both important, but both should take a back seat to the overall economy. Jobs is the number one priority in the country right now. The failure of the two parties to address this problem is why we are mired in anemic growth.

And the House has passed how many jobs bills? How many anti abortion bills? How many bills to defund/repeal ACA? How many bills to defund Planned Parenthood?