Nuke power in the news again!

PostmodernProphet said:
I think it would be wise to expand our nuclear use......I would suggest, however, we don't build one on the San Andreas faultline.....
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Careful there, PMP. You might be accused of being anti-nuclear power and of making emotional judgements based on watching Jane Fonda in China Syndrome. :)
 
Taichiliberal said:
I notice a lot of bluff and bluster on your part, Tom, but NO discussion about what the HSE actually stated and why it stated such. Also, you're STILL ignoring the information I linked in the opening post of this thread.

This is the failing of all the nuke industry stooges like yourself, Tom. You want to appear to be objectively intellectual on the subject, but when properly challenge you all deteriorate to a bunch of 3rd rate propagandist with a school yard mentality.....picking and choosing bits and parts of statements and information that appeals to your beliefs....until the shit hits the fan in YOUR backyard.
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You just do not approach the subject with any level of objectivity, you seem far more interested in generating heat rather than light. For instance, in China over 5000 coal miners die each year and no doubt millions suffer and die from atmospheric pollution caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Replacing the coal fired power stations with clean energy from nuclear power would save many lives but you seem totally disinterested.

Third generation systems like the AP1000 have passive core cooling systems which do not need a backup diesel generator like the ones in Japan. Will you acknowledge that fact, I very much doubt it?

Power reactors of this general type continue to produce heat from radioactive decay products even after the main reaction is shut down, so it's necessary to remove this heat to avoid meltdown of the reactor core and possible escape into the containment or, very unlikely, beyond the containment. In this design Westinghouse's Passive Core Cooling System (PCCS) uses less than twenty explosively operated and DC operated valves which must operate within the first 30 minutes. This is designed to happen even if the reactor operators take no action. The electrical system required for initiating the passive systems doesn't rely on external or diesel power and the valves don't rely on hydraulic or compressed air systems.


http://www.kosmix.com/topic/AP1000
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So, after a release of radioactivity into the region you have a spate of infant and child deaths, a sudden spike in cancers, and we're suppose to IGNORE the coincidence?
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no....we're supposed to pretend it's the result of the Three Mile Island incident......at least that's the apparent conclusion of your argument.....
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As my links showed, there was no pretense in the evidence or time line or location. The only person pretending here are folks like YOU and that dumbass Dixie pretending to be able to have an intelligent discussion based on facts and the logic derived from those facts.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I think it would be wise to expand our nuclear use......I would suggest, however, we don't build one on the San Andreas faultline.....
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Then you better hustle your Post Modern Foolish butt to the NRC and start a campaign to decommission, decontaminate and deconstruct the USA nuke plants that ALREADY exist on or near fault lines.

But hey, they say all is well and it can't happen here, so don't bother bunky. :palm:
 
Schadenfreude said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Okay, so once again a nuclear plant disaster will put the questions to the American people (if not the international community)…..how safe are these things? Do we have a contingency plan that’s reasonable in the face of an emergency?

Now the first thing that the NRC (nuclear regulatory commission) will tell you is that the worst nuclear plant disaster that happened in the USA resulted in NO loss of life or property (Three Mile Island back in 1979) with no negative side effects or problems years later….which is not entirely true

http://pittsburgh.about.com/cs/history/a/tmi.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/mile-islan...ory?id=9152035

I’m sure that all the industrial countries around the world that have had nuclear power plants operating for decades without any major incidents will look at Japan and call it an unfortunate and unforeseen phenomena, just as Chernobyl was in Russia …. as no one could predict an earthquake and tsunami in Japan affecting the power plants, and no (American) plant has the design of the old Chernobyl plant. They’ll point to the clean efficiency of nuclear power.

What they WON’T discuss is the following nagging little details…..like the fact that nuclear power plants have NOT delivered the promise of “cheap electricity” in many parts of this country as well as the rest of the world …. like the fact that any changes to surrounding environments due to occasional venting (gas or liquid) is only looked at as non-harmful in the present….or that all the well managed procedures for storage of the deadly waste is just a TEMPORARY procedure that future generations will have to deal with.

Here’s my point: with hydro, geo-thermal, wind, solar, oil, gas energy sources, even if you have a disaster like a natural gas explosion or oil plant explosion, it is contained within a specific radius, and can in a relative short time be cleaned up and repaired. That is NOT the case when nuclear power is involved. Also, people exposed to cancer causing radiation levels may not show symptoms for decades.

People should look to Japan as a wake up call and to force their leadership and industry to RE-THINK the devotion to nuclear power in it’s present form.
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usually i agree with your posts, but not this time

the mistake that the japanese made is not factoring in a tsunami that could knock out their backup system
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Not quite .... the facilities and their generators were supposedly designed to withstand earthquakes and tsunamis. Check this out by investigative reporter Greg Palast:


SAN ONOFRE: Regulatory commission had concerns about generators at nuclear plant


http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-inf...ectric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/


And here's an appropo article that corroborates Palast's story:


Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants
The no-BS info on Japan's disastrous nuclear operators
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_46cf4ee3-d38a-5824-8648-2e7589b063e6.html
 
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tom prendergast said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I notice a lot of bluff and bluster on your part, Tom, but NO discussion about what the HSE actually stated and why it stated such. Also, you're STILL ignoring the information I linked in the opening post of this thread.

This is the failing of all the nuke industry stooges like yourself, Tom. You want to appear to be objectively intellectual on the subject, but when properly challenge you all deteriorate to a bunch of 3rd rate propagandist with a school yard mentality.....picking and choosing bits and parts of statements and information that appeals to your beliefs....until the shit hits the fan in YOUR backyard.
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You just do not approach the subject with any level of objectivity, you seem far more interested in generating heat rather than light. For instance, in China over 5000 coal miners die each year and no doubt millions suffer and die from atmospheric pollution caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Replacing the coal fired power stations with clean energy from nuclear power would save many lives but you seem totally disinterested.

You're repeating yourself Tom, as I've already addressed this point of yours. Quit your dodging and stalling and deal with the FACTS, Thomas.

Third generation systems like the AP1000 have passive core cooling systems which do not need a backup diesel generator like the ones in Japan. Will you acknowledge that fact, I very much doubt it?


And exactly how many of these systems are currently operating in all the nuke plants in your country? Or internationally for that matter? And what's the insurance criteria that this new system, let alone the plants themselves, can handle the scale of the quake in Japan?

Power reactors of this general type continue to produce heat from radioactive decay products even after the main reaction is shut down, so it's necessary to remove this heat to avoid meltdown of the reactor core and possible escape into the containment or, very unlikely, beyond the containment. In this design Westinghouse's Passive Core Cooling System (PCCS) uses less than twenty explosively operated and DC operated valves which must operate within the first 30 minutes. This is designed to happen even if the reactor operators take no action. The electrical system required for initiating the passive systems doesn't rely on external or diesel power and the valves don't rely on hydraulic or compressed air systems.


http://www.kosmix.com/topic/AP1000
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Nice recitation of the company line, Thomas. Now, here's a dose of reality for you. I suggest you read EVERYTHING carefully and comprehensively:



SAN ONOFRE: Regulatory commission had concerns about generators at nuclear plant

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_46cf4ee3-d38a-5824-8648-2e7589b063e6.html


Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants
The no-BS info on Japan's disastrous nuclear operators

http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-inf...ectric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/


So you'll excuse me if I take what Westinghouse tells me with a grain of salt.
 
Socrtease said:
Though I don't know how the "freedom fries" promoters in this country will feel about this, the French seem to do Nuclear Energy best. Here is a site that talks about nuke energy in France. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf40.html
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Not quite, Soc....check these out:


France reports incidents at 8 nuclear plants

http://texasvox.org/2011/02/22/france-reports-incidents-at-8-nuclear-plants/


France Moves Ahead With Nuclear Waste Project

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12837958
 
Do we have a resident, liberal, pinhead, fear-monger on board..???

I gonna hid under the bed....
 
Chicklet: ..folks like YOU and that dumbass Dixie pretending to be able to have an intelligent discussion based on facts and the logic derived from those facts.
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You're right, I shouldn't pretend that's what we're having with you at all.

All I did was asked you a question, and you started claiming I was being dishonest, willfully insipid... whatever that is... and the chronology of the posts showed that, but all I see is where I asked you how many people had died of radiation poisoning in Japan? How is it dishonest to ask a simple question? You started in about Three Mile Island, and I asked you how many people died from radiation poisoning there... again, you claimed I was being dishonest and refused to answer. So the chronology shows you repeatedly refuse to answer the simplest questions, and continue to mouth off about other people being dishonest because they asked a simple question.
 
Dixie said:
You're right, I shouldn't pretend that's what we're having with you at all.

All I did was asked you a question, and you started claiming I was being dishonest, willfully insipid... whatever that is... and the chronology of the posts showed that, but all I see is where I asked you how many people had died of radiation poisoning in Japan? How is it dishonest to ask a simple question? You started in about Three Mile Island, and I asked you how many people died from radiation poisoning there... again, you claimed I was being dishonest and refused to answer. So the chronology shows you repeatedly refuse to answer the simplest questions, and continue to mouth off about other people being dishonest because they asked a simple question.
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And there you have it folks....and just to save time...
The chronology of the posts show the Dixie must be one of these....

Intellectual pygmie
cowardly neocon clown
political gasbag
forementioned buffoon
intellectually impotent coward
intellectually cowardly
willfully ignorant
Sore loser Republican
conservative pundit
oather
birther
tea partier
neocon toadie
 
Dixie, you asked about how many died from 3 Mile Island? First glance (the court case) shows none.

But other studies show a very different story.

From:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/apr/13/nuclearindustry.usnews

"Recent data from the Radiation and Public Health Project, a non-profit organisation, suggests otherwise. The group claims infant mortality in the local area increased by 47% in the two years after the accident. It also says that, 25 years on, cancer-related deaths among children under 10 are 30% higher than the national average."


As for the number of people who died as a result of the Japanese reactor problems, I'll get back to you in a decade or so. Radiation is not like rat poison where you either die immediately or you are safe. The potential problems are long term.
 
WinterBorn said:
Dixie, you asked about how many died from 3 Mile Island? First glance (the court case) shows none.

But other studies show a very different story.

From:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/apr/13/nuclearindustry.usnews

"Recent data from the Radiation and Public Health Project, a non-profit organisation, suggests otherwise. The group claims infant mortality in the local area increased by 47% in the two years after the accident. It also says that, 25 years on, cancer-related deaths among children under 10 are 30% higher than the national average."


As for the number of people who died as a result of the Japanese reactor problems, I'll get back to you in a decade or so. Radiation is not like rat poison where you either die immediately or you are safe. The potential problems are long term.
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And Dixie keeps ludicrously asking how many people have died in Japan in under a week.

This is the thing about radiation: as I watch more & more, and read more & more, it because abundantly clear that no one has any friggin' clue how dangerous it can be, how long-term & extensive the effects can be, and just what it's capable of.
 
WinterBorn said:
Dixie, you asked about how many died from 3 Mile Island? First glance (the court case) shows none.

But other studies show a very different story.

From:http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/apr/13/nuclearindustry.usnews

"Recent data from the Radiation and Public Health Project, a non-profit organisation, suggests otherwise. The group claims infant mortality in the local area increased by 47% in the two years after the accident. It also says that, 25 years on, cancer-related deaths among children under 10 are 30% higher than the national average."


As for the number of people who died as a result of the Japanese reactor problems, I'll get back to you in a decade or so. Radiation is not like rat poison where you either die immediately or you are safe. The potential problems are long term.
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So basically, you are counting people who you don't really know why they died, but since a 30% higher percentage died in that area, you assume it must have been from Three Mile Island, and nothing else? That doesn't sound very scientifically conclusive to me.... sounds a lot like speculation and conjecture, and it's being done by people who obviously have an agenda, which makes me kinda distrust the information.

It's really simple stuff... There should be a count of how many people died from radiation poisoning.... In Chernobyl it was around 4,000.... How many were there at Three Mile Island, and how many in Japan?
...ZERO! THANK YOU!
 
bravo said:
And there you have it folks....and just to save time...
The chronology of the posts show the Dixie must be one of these....

Intellectual pygmie
cowardly neocon clown
political gasbag
forementioned buffoon
intellectually impotent coward
intellectually cowardly
willfully ignorant
Sore loser Republican
conservative pundit
oather
birther
tea partier
neocon toadie
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something's missing.....not quite right....oh wait, I know....Touchie's name on the post....
 
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