Nuke power in the news again!

Taichiliberal said:
This isn't about politics, Yutle old thing....this is about survival! Fools like you have bought the party line by the people who have INVESTMENTS in the damned things...and you'll ignore and deny any negative information about nuke plants...until it comes knocking on YOUR doorstep.

NONE of you nuke plant defenders have addressed the infromation in the links I provided....yet you are quick to condemn people who are using FACTS in their critiques. Not surprising.
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Many of the environmental groups cite the dangers of nuclear power whilst totally ignoring the fact that far fewer have died from nuclear power than from coal, oil and gas. Over five thousand coal miners die every year in China, those lives would be saved if nuclear replaced coal.
 
Dixie said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Okay, so once again a nuclear plant disaster will put the questions to the American people (if not the international community)…..how safe are these things? Do we have a contingency plan that’s reasonable in the face of an emergency?

Now the first thing that the NRC (nuclear regulatory commission) will tell you is that the worst nuclear plant disaster that happened in the USA resulted in NO loss of life or property (Three Mile Island back in 1979) with no negative side effects or problems years later….which is not entirely true http://pittsburgh.about.com/cs/history/a/tmi.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/mile-islan...ory?id=9152035

I’m sure that all the industrial countries around the world that have had nuclear power plants operating for decades without any major incidents will look at Japan and call it an unfortunate and unforeseen phenomena, just as Chernobyl was in Russia …. as no one could predict an earthquake and tsunami in Japan affecting the power plants, and no (American) plant has the design of the old Chernobyl plant. They’ll point to the clean efficiency of nuclear power.

What they WON’T discuss is the following nagging little details…..like the fact that nuclear power plants have NOT delivered the promise of “cheap electricity” in many parts of this country as well as the rest of the world …. like the fact that any changes to surrounding environments due to occasional venting (gas or liquid) is only looked at as non-harmful in the present….or that all the well managed procedures for storage of the deadly waste is just a TEMPORARY procedure that future generations will have to deal with.

Here’s my point: with hydro, geo-thermal, wind, solar, oil, gas energy sources, even if you have a disaster like a natural gas explosion or oil plant explosion, it is contained within a specific radius, and can in a relative short time be cleaned up and repaired. That is NOT the case when nuclear power is involved. Also, people exposed to cancer causing radiation levels may not show symptoms for decades.

People should look to Japan as a wake up call and to force their leadership and industry to RE-THINK the devotion to nuclear power in it’s present form.
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No form of energy production is without risk! Even your beloved windmills... some pinhead inadvertently tries to get closer look and *swack!* off goes the old pinhead! That being said, nuclear power, even WITH a disaster like Japan, is still the safest and most efficient form of energy production known to mankind....nothing else even comes remotely close, in terms of raw cost.


Our Dixie Dunce is a true willfully ignorant toadie folks. Right here he just parrots the same party line the nuke industry has used for decades DESPITE information and incidences to the contrary. I gave two links to demonstrate what I stated has validity. What proof does Dixie offer beside rhetoric? And only a complete neocon asshole would propose that someone accidently walking into a Wind power Dixiethat in order to get "swacked" by a standard Wind power propellar, you'd have to be well over 12 feet tall! :palm:

Not to 'downplay' the crisis in Japan, but here is an island nation with several nuclear facilities in crisis mode because of an earthquake MANY times greater than the nuclear facilities were designed and engineered to handle... no one has died, most have been evacuated from the area, and long-term problems are very unlikely, in fact, a total meltdown is unlikely. The redundant systems built into the facility are working, and newer facilities have even MORE redundant safety layers, especially in the over-EPA-regulated United States.
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More sheer ignorance and stupidity from Dixie. All one has to do is to actually follow MORE THAN ONE NEWS SOURCE BESIDES FOX TALKING HEADS to know of the dire conditions of the nuke plants, the containment pools for spent fuel rods, and the level of exposure for people in the surrounding areas.

Somebody clue in this dumb bunny Dixie regarding how radiation poisoning works. :palm:
 
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Beefy said:
Originally Posted by Dixie
That being said, nuclear power, even WITH a disaster like Japan, is still the safest and most efficient form of energy production known to mankind....nothing else even comes remotely close, in terms of raw cost.
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QFT

It is the safest form of mass energy production delivered per kilowatt hour.

The left always forgets this, and then they cry when it costs $4.00 to fill up their Chinese built mopeds because the demand for oil is inflated due to their own smug sense of being well meaning and enlightened.
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:palm: You don't know what you're talking about...and Dixie is just plain ignorant and irrational on the subject, as I demonstrated in my response to him.

Neither of you have read the links provided in my initial post on this thread...and the old mantra about cost effectiveness has LONG been disproven when you take into account the cost of the building, maintaining, reprocessing the waste, waste management and containment, and ACTUAL day to day power production cost to the consumer.

Do some honest homework, and you'll see my point (hopefully).
 
Chicklet said:
More sheer ignorance and stupidity from Dixie. All one has to do is to actually follow MORE THAN ONE NEWS SOURCE BESIDES FOX TALKING HEADS to know of the dire conditions of the nuke plants, the containment pools for spent fuel rods, and the level of exposure for people in the surrounding areas.

Somebody clue in this dumb bunny Dixie regarding how radiation poisoning works. :palm:
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Exactly HOW MANY Japanese have died from radiation poisoning again?
 
tom prendergast said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
This isn't about politics, Yutle old thing....this is about survival! Fools like you have bought the party line by the people who have INVESTMENTS in the damned things...and you'll ignore and deny any negative information about nuke plants...until it comes knocking on YOUR doorstep.

NONE of you nuke plant defenders have addressed the infromation in the links I provided....yet you are quick to condemn people who are using FACTS in their critiques. Not surprising.
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Many of the environmental groups cite the dangers of nuclear power whilst totally ignoring the fact that far fewer have died from nuclear power than from coal, oil and gas. Over five thousand coal miners die every year in China, those lives would be saved if nuclear replaced coal.
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No Tom, this "collateral damage" ploy doesn't cut it with nuke plant leaks and accidents because it can take YEARS for symptoms to develop in the form of cancers...and the lawyers for the nuke industry spend a LOT of money playing the game of "oh yeah, prove it was our plant that gave you that cancer".

Your stat on Chinese mine deaths leaves out work safety conditions....a problem that has plagued ALL mine operations throughout the generations internationally.

And again, everyone HOPES that a solution to nuke waste will happen before those storage facilities lose their viability....nice gift to leave for future generations, ehh?

Like I said before, deal with the information in the links I initially provided.
 
I was listening to a very informative radio prog earlier on BBC about the new generation of nuclear power plants as exemplified by the AP1000. The design eliminates virtually all need for human intervention in the case of a thermal overload by the use of passive techniques. In this design Westinghouse's Passive Core Cooling System (PCCS) uses less than twenty explosively operated and DC operated valves which must operate within the first 30 minutes. This is designed to happen even if the reactor operators take no action.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000#cite_note-6 The electrical system required for initiating the passive systems doesn't rely on external or diesel power and the valves don't rely on hydraulic or compressed air systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000#cite_note-Schulz-3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000#cite_note-Nuclear_Energy-7Yet the more hysterical will try to say that nothing has been learned in the last 60 odd years of operating reactors.

http://wn.com/AP1000
 
Taichiliberal said:
What's fascinating is how YOU ignore all the information in the links I provided in my previous responses to you in favor for this opinion laden, supposition and conjecture claptrap from Hastings.
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What information in your links? There was some rubbish about the HSE which is one of the most bureaucratic and hide bound agencies on earth. It lacks sufficient expertise so to cover their arses they resort to a box ticking culture. Let's face it, you have always been against nuclear power and now you're as happy as a pig in shit because you think you've been vindicated.

The green movement is hopeless when it comes to assessing future technologies, I prefer to listen to an organisation with impeccable credentials like the Royal Academy of Engineering. Sue Ions, a fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering deeply involved in nuclear decommissioning, says: ‘Rather than undermine public faith in nuclear energy, this incident should highlight its safety. People should gain confidence that these plants have shut down as they should.’
 
Dixie said:
Originally Posted by Chicklet
More sheer ignorance and stupidity from Dixie. All one has to do is to actually follow MORE THAN ONE NEWS SOURCE BESIDES FOX TALKING HEADS to know of the dire conditions of the nuke plants, the containment pools for spent fuel rods, and the level of exposure for people in the surrounding areas.

Somebody clue in this dumb bunny Dixie regarding how radiation poisoning works.
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Exactly HOW MANY Japanese have died from radiation poisoning again?
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Exactly how many times do I have to school you, my Dixie Dunce?


At least 15 Japanese hospitalized with radiation poisoning

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110313/162978555.html
 
tom prendergast said:
I was listening to a very informative radio prog earlier on BBC about the new generation of nuclear power plants as exemplified by the AP1000. The design eliminates virtually all need for human intervention in the case of a thermal overload by the use of passive techniques. In this design Westinghouse's Passive Core Cooling System (PCCS) uses less than twenty explosively operated and DC operated valves which must operate within the first 30 minutes. This is designed to happen even if the reactor operators take no action.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000#cite_note-6 The electrical system required for initiating the passive systems doesn't rely on external or diesel power and the valves don't rely on hydraulic or compressed air systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000#cite_note-Schulz-3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000#cite_note-Nuclear_Energy-7Yet the more hysterical will try to say that nothing has been learned in the last 60 odd years of operating reactors.

http://wn.com/AP1000
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Again, Tom, YOU refuse to read the information contained in the links I provided. Again, this design you are so excited about DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF WASTE MANAGEMENT OR CONTAINMENT.
 
tom prendergast said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What's fascinating is how YOU ignore all the information in the links I provided in my previous responses to you in favor for this opinion laden, supposition and conjecture claptrap from Hastings.
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What information in your links? There was some rubbish about the HSE which is one of the most bureaucratic and hide bound agencies on earth. It lacks sufficient expertise so to cover their arses they resort to a box ticking culture. Let's face it, you have always been against nuclear power and now you're as happy as a pig in shit because you think you've been vindicated.


The green movement is hopeless when it comes to assessing future technologies, I prefer to listen to an organisation with impeccable credentials like the Royal Academy of Engineering. Sue Ions, a fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering deeply involved in nuclear decommissioning, says: ‘Rather than undermine public faith in nuclear energy, this incident should highlight its safety. People should gain confidence that these plants have shut down as they should.’
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I notice a lot of bluff and bluster on your part, Tom, but NO discussion about what the HSE actually stated and why it stated such. Also, you're STILL ignoring the information I linked in the opening post of this thread.

This is the failing of all the nuke industry stooges like yourself, Tom. You want to appear to be objectively intellectual on the subject, but when properly challenge you all deteriorate to a bunch of 3rd rate propagandist with a school yard mentality.....picking and choosing bits and parts of statements and information that appeals to your beliefs....until the shit hits the fan in YOUR backyard.
 
Dixie said:
Even an idiot like you should know it doesn't take 20 years to die from radiation poisoning.
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And even an idiot like you should know it takes longer than a few days.

And why just focus on "death"? Radiation is insidious. It travels with the rain & the wind; gets into the groundwater; contaminates food. Birth defects & illness show up years after initial contamination.

On yet another scientific topic, it's clear that you're in way over your head....
 
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