Now begins the hard work in Egypt.

Onceler said:
Not my fault that Yurtsie had to come riding to Dixie's rescue with a continuation of his week-long meltdown...
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true... but you two go at it in every fucking thread... its one thing if you do so about the topic. It is quite another to see you two giving each other the reach around on every thread.
 
Superfreak said:
true... but you two go at it in every fucking thread... its one thing if you do so about the topic. It is quite another to see you two giving each other the reach around on every thread.
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Fair enough (except for the superfluous gay allusions, not that there's anything wrong with that).

I shall endeavor to let him rant in a vacuum, and refrain from responding going forward. No guarantees, but I'll give it the ol' college try...
 
cawacko said:
Come on now. This was starting to be an interesting thread. No need for lovers quarrels to hijack it.
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he loves me, not the other way around...i merely point out his dishonesty and really, wouldn't it be nice if onceler didn't hack up every thread with

thats embarrassing, you're stupid, you can't read!!!!!!!!!!!

90% of his posts ^....in virtually every thread i start he comes in with that, to every post of mine he responds to, its something just like that....maybe we need a group intervention for him because its gotten psychotic, i can't have a thread or hardly any posts without onceler hacking it up and attacking...
 
NigelTufnel said:
The idea that the promotion of democracy abroad is the "Bush Doctrine" is hilarious. The promotion of democracy has been a guiding principle of our foreign policy since the end of the Cold War, and prior to that it was part of the basic guiding principle of containing communism.
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The 'Bush Doctrine' was geared towards promoting democracy in the middle east. The thought was that if Iraq had a democracy that if successful it would spill over into the other countries in the mid east. No one has stated that the Bush Doctrine was all encompassing of democracy abroad.... nor has anyone stated that it was a brand new concept. But it was focused on this region.

That said, I would agree with those who said the change in Egypt is not a result of Iraq and the efforts of Bush. This has been a long time coming in Egypt. The MB has been pushing for more control since the late 20's. Mubarak is extremely unpopular given the inflationary effects being felt by the average Egyptian. The flames were easy to stoke and the opposition groups (including the MB) took advantage. I think their decision also had to do with Mubarak's path to putting his son in place as his successor. The opposition couldn't afford to let that happen.
 
Superfreak said:
true... but you two go at it in every fucking thread... its one thing if you do so about the topic. It is quite another to see you two giving each other the reach around on every thread.
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you might have some moral authority for this IF you called him when i ignore him...i ignored the guy for a couple of weeks (about a week ago) and it still didn't stop, everyday it was an attack....so now i'm trying to give it back in order to help him understand how stupid he looks and you finally notice....

:rolleyes:
 
Onceler said:
Fair enough (except for the superfluous gay allusions, not that there's anything wrong with that).

I shall endeavor to let him rant in a vacuum, and refrain from responding going forward. No guarantees, but I'll give it the ol' college try...
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fair enough... though you don't have to give up responding to him at all. Just try to stick to the topic :good4u:
 
Yurt said:
you might have some moral authority for this IF you called him when i ignore him...i ignored the guy for a couple of weeks (about a week ago) and it still didn't stop, everyday it was an attack....so now i'm trying to give it back in order to help him understand how stupid he looks and you finally notice....

:rolleyes:
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I admit that I don't pay attention when one of the two of you is not participating. It is when you both decide to go at it that it becomes annoying.

Now.... back to the topic.
 
Superfreak said:
fair enough... though you don't have to give up responding to him at all. Just try to stick to the topic :good4u:
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that would be amazing, i don't think he can do it though....even when i ignore him for weeks, he still continues the attacks and off topic rants....its all he basically knows
 
Yurt said:
i fail to see how the left can definitely claim that the bush is not in any way responsible for the spread of democracy. iraq has had democracy for a few years now, it is entirely probable that many egyptians were motivated by this. maybe family members or friends from iraq have talked with them.

'm not saying bush is responsible, but to dismiss it out of hand is pure nonsense.
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The fact of the matter is that Bush supported Mubarack and congratulated him on a victory in a rigged election in 2005. Bush had little to no interest in spreading democracy in Egypt because Egypt was already a friendly government under Mubarack. Bush's democratization policies applied only where non-friendly governments were in power, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and the like. It seems to me that Bush's policies in Egypt were probably more influential on Egypt than Bush's policies in Iraq. And his policies in Egypt didn't have shit to do with democracy promotion.

Moreover, I don't see how claiming it is "entirely probable" that Egyptians were motivated by the Iraqi "democracy" is any less ridiculous than saying Bush
 
Dixie said:
Democracy? I thought Middle Eastern people didn't want Democracy, and couldn't handle it anyway? I thought people in that part of the world believed in totalitarian rulers, not elected leaders? When Bush talked of planting Democracy in the ME, you laughed and said he was niave to think this possible. Now, you believe we should promote and support the Bush Doctrine? When did you change your mind on this?
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Me, no I never said amy such thing. You fail to listen, it's why your ideas are so fucked up. You are a contemptible liar!
 
NigelTufnel said:
The fact of the matter is that Bush supported Mubarack and congratulated him on a victory in a rigged election in 2005. Bush had little to no interest in spreading democracy in Egypt because Egypt was already a friendly government under Mubarack. Bush's democratization policies applied only where non-friendly governments were in power, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and the like. It seems to me that Bush's policies in Egypt were probably more influential on Egypt than Bush's policies in Iraq. And his policies in Egypt didn't have shit to do with democracy promotion.

Moreover, I don't see how claiming it is "entirely probable" that Egyptians were motivated by the Iraqi "democracy" is any less ridiculous than saying Bush
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its not that bush is DIRECTLY responsible, but perhaps INdirectly responsible due to the democracy in iraq. seeing a nation that once had a powerful dictator become a democracy, albeit through american military, it could have still inspired them. to claim that its a fact that were not at all inspired by iraq is the same nonsense as claiming its a fact bush directly influenced this. further, it is irrelevant what bush wanted for egypt and what he publicly said. just last year obama praised mubarak as a stalwart ally and a force for good. now, its almost the opposite. sometimes presidents have the unfortunate situation of defending an ally they would rather not, but, feel its in america's best interest. here is what bush thought about tryanny:

Bush said, “As recent history has shown, we cannot turn a blind eye to oppression just because the oppression is not in our own backyard. No longer should we think tyranny is benign because it is temporarily convenient. Tyranny is never benign to its victims, and our great democracies should oppose tyranny wherever it is found.”
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Jarod said:
Me, no I never said amy such thing. You fail to listen, it's why your ideas are so fucked up. You are a contemptible liar!
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It's just Dixie desperation. The Bush years were hard for him.

You have to navigate a pretty long & delusional maze to look at the OP and the Egyptian situation & come out in the end with "Bush was right!"
 
The discussing mess in Iraq more likely detered the people of Egypt than encouraged them. They did this despite the embarrassment in Iraq.
 
Jarod said:
The discussing mess in Iraq more likely detered the people of Egypt than encouraged them. They did this despite the embarrassment in Iraq.
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I'm assuming you meant disgusting? Or did you mean people in Egypt were discussing the difficulties or creating a democracy after spending so much time under a dictator and that it might not be worth the stuggle?
 
cawacko said:
I'm assuming you meant disgusting? Or did you mean people in Egypt were discussing the difficulties or creating a democracy after spending so much time under a dictator and that it might not be worth the stuggle?
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Thank you, I intended to type "disgusting"!!!
 
Onceler said:
Fair enough (except for the superfluous gay allusions, not that there's anything wrong with that).

I shall endeavor to let him rant in a vacuum, and refrain from responding going forward. No guarantees, but I'll give it the ol' college try...
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You must get a little testy when you get a bad load....try a little mouthwash....my homo acquaintances say it works for them....:palm:
 
Nice, bravs.

It's always the righties who are obsessed w/ the bodily specifics of homosexuality. Definitely a curious phenomenon...
 
NigelTufnel said:
The fact of the matter is that Bush supported Mubarack and congratulated him on a victory in a rigged election in 2005. Bush had little to no interest in spreading democracy in Egypt because Egypt was already a friendly government under Mubarack. Bush's democratization policies applied only where non-friendly governments were in power, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and the like. It seems to me that Bush's policies in Egypt were probably more influential on Egypt than Bush's policies in Iraq. And his policies in Egypt didn't have shit to do with democracy promotion.

Moreover, I don't see how claiming it is "entirely probable" that Egyptians were motivated by the Iraqi "democracy" is any less ridiculous than saying Bush
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:lies:

You make up some good shit, dude....you ought try your hand at a good fictional novel.......quite an imagination....

Bush congratulated him ?
Hillary considers Mubarak a good FAMILY FRIEND....so what ?....
 
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