No crime San Francisco trip!

TOP said:
Kids always need their parents... anyway we weren't talking about you forbidding him to do anything...We were just discussing options...
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Kids have options, and I know kids who have done it without their asshole parents, very capable and independent kids, but that's what it would take.
 
Jarod said:
Kids have options, and I know kids who have done it without their asshole parents, very capable and independent kids, but that's what it would take.
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I know kids who have made it on their own as well...that doesn't mean that kids don't need their parents... but it certainly isn't easy and it's certainly isn't the best scenario... I'm sure you'll agree... it would be pretty tough to make it on your own as an 18-year-old in Berkeley... especially when you're a resident of Florida...
 
Depending on what rankings you look at Cal is usually either the top public University in the country or at least in the top 2-3. It’s a big school and you hear many stories of students getting lost so to speak (although that’s not something exclusive to Cal). Berkeley is also a ‘unique’ place. It appeals to some and not others.

But there’s no denying that a Cal degree can carry some weight.
 
christiefan915 said:
Scholarships, grants, a part-time job, his savings... like a lot of us who went to college without our parents' help.
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The reality is for someone out of state there’s no way to support yourself at a place like Cal on your own without massive student loans. You’re looking at like $50K+/year for tuition and room and board. (Unless you get a scholarship or grants of course). But most kids getting part time jobs won’t earn close enough to that amount.
 
Jarod said:
My wife and son are on a College visit to San Francisco, he’s considering colleges for the fall.

On their fourth day, haven’t witnessed a single crime yet!

Does that blow you Trumppers minds?
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Take out an insurance policy on them and leave them out there for a month. Let them live on a low to median income level single mom salary.
 
cawacko said:
The reality is for someone out of state there’s no way to support yourself at a place like Cal on your own without massive student loans. You’re looking at like $50K+/year for tuition and room and board. (Unless you get a scholarship or grants of course). But most kids getting part time jobs won’t earn close enough to that amount.
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You understand that most kids at that level do get scholarships and grants, right?
 
cawacko said:
The reality is for someone out of state there’s no way to support yourself at a place like Cal on your own without massive student loans. You’re looking at like $50K+/year for tuition and room and board. (Unless you get a scholarship or grants of course). But most kids getting part time jobs won’t earn close enough to that amount.
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I looked and one site says "$14,226 in-state" and "$43,980 out of state." What's up with that? I'm sure it's legal but it doesn't seem ethical.
 
Jarod said:
You understand that most kids at that level do get scholarships and grants, right?
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But a part-time job still isn't going to pay all the bills...you know that... do you think your son could do it without your help? You mentioned that he was going to drive to Maverick to Surf so that would mean a car gas maintenance Insurance Etc on top of everything else... and that would probably cut into the part-time job hours... and that's not meant to be personal just meant to point out that it would be really expensive and difficult to try to do it on your own..
 
Jarod said:
You understand that most kids at that level do get scholarships and grants, right?
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I responded to the discussion point that many older people paid their way through school. That is correct but it was also a very different time.

Kids getting part time jobs tend to earn little more than minimum wage. Not enough work hours possible to make what is needed to pay on your own.

And yes, I also referenced scholarships and grants but even for those who receive them it doesn’t pay all expenses for most. Kids still need either help from their parents or to take out additional loans.
 
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