NFL Players Kneel, Raise Fists During National Anthem in Preseason Games

[USFREEDOM911]

I used to watch football as a fun escape from this nonsense, now that it is included I have no real interest.

I couldn't imagine sitting down to a great action flick only to have the first portion of the movie be a protest against abortion or some nonsense. I go to the movies to escape this nonsense too.

I understand their reasons to protest, I just don't want it melted into a mental escape.

 

[Gotcha68]

OK. You have the country's attention. How about starting a massive 'get out the vote' campaign? The timing is perfect, just as it was when Kap. failed miserably in his ploy. Idiot didn't even vote.

There are ways to exact change, if that's what the players actually want.

Who exactly should one be voting for to ensure racism doesn't exist anymore or to corrects its manifestations among the police and public at large etc?

Raise your children not to be racist and that's more than half the battle won.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Most of the people are buy food and beer or taking a piss during it anyway.

That must be why there are so many standing, in the stands, when it's being played.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

They'll meet with a real POTUS in two years.

I didn't know they had already scheduled a meeting with President Trump!!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Wrong. White/White murder is the highest.

And once again, you're full of shit.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Exactly why the majority of Americans don't take their "protest" seriously. They aren't really serious about change.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

A majority of Americans don't take Don seriously and did not vote for him.

The "majority" also didn't vote for Hillary.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

The vote is a ruse, can't fault anyone for recognizing reality. And another reality is that the corporate state police murder unarmed citizens in the streets with impunity.

Used to be "conservatives" would view that as big intrusive govt.

Then why aren't the streets littered with bodies, who were shot by the Police, similar to what's a normal occurrence in Chicago?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Hmmmmm...and if Trump did pardon one person, he'd trumpet that as "solving the problem" and how he has done more than "any other President in history" (just like he did w/ Puerto Rico), and there would still be zero progress on unequal treatment under the law in general.

Honestly, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, you only have a very surface understanding of this issue, and of what their concerns are. Most are protesting because of how they see the black community being treated - they're not protesting because it necessarily affects them personally, or because they have a family member in jail.

How does that go??

OH, yeah...…………………...WHATEVER.

 

[Gotcha68]

I read a comment somewhere that said, if you want to see how important that anthem is to these people then play it at the end of the game and see whether they are more interested in standing in respect or getting to the parking lot before the rush. (paraphrasing)

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You keep dodging the point about Trump’s offer.

If the kneelers don’t know someone in prison, surely their fans do. Trump is willing to pardon people.

But no takers. And you even conceded that it was because Trump would take credit for it. You think the poor bugger in prison cares who gets credit for their release?

I think I’m done taking you seriously.

I stopped taking "Thing1" seriously, when he used "WHATEVER"; because he couldn't defend a position he took.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

but it was OK when tea tards spoke out huh

Did you buy tickets, to see them??

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You don’t think protesting the treatment of blacks by the judicial system and actions of some police is a good reason?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

This is a fake Trump news. It is not about the flag or patriotism. It is about police killing innocent, unarmed blacks. Trump knows that. But he also knows he can lie and get points form those who believe him. Trump says it is a winner for him. So he will continue stirring up his fake shit, The owners are getting a mess from Trump lies. However they would not allow Trump too buy a franchise and he will never forgive them. This is retruibution for baby Trump.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It's hard to say. I mean, it got the nation talking, right? I suppose that was one goal.

Honestly, it isn't what I'd do - it's more about the disruption at this point than about the issue, at least in the media and in the national conversation. But I'm not really in the business of critiquing how others want to protest, for the most part.

It doesn't bother me when they kneel, and I wish it didn't bother other people. They have made it clear that they aren't disrespecting the military & that this is not their intent. I still don't understand the outrage over that, but that Trump is still seen as patriotic and supporting our military after saying he only likes the guys who weren't captured.

But, at this point, if it was my call, I'd tell them to try something else. The issue has been lost in the white noise. But it's not my call.

OH, it got the nation talking all right.

It got them talking about what a bunch of hypocrites the protesting players are.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It sounds like you are trying to split the baby and you agree with me in principle. I think you are still scarred by BAC calling you a racist you need to check your white privilege at the door so you don't get verbally assaulted again. For the record, I don't see you as a racist and what BAC did is emblematic of the left. But no need to go into the past.

I can only speak for myself

My issue isn't solely with the kneeling although I do have a problem with it. Here are my issues

1) They only seem to want to "protest" during the minute and a half during the national anthem. I don't see or hear about them doing much else. Kaepernick organize a march on DC for JUST football players? Offseason would have been a good time for them to organize some shit, but I didn't hear of anything. That makes me question motives

2) It is clear that they are not gaining allies with their stupidity and the league was hurt by it last year. They will be hurt again this year as well

3) This is just part of a larger issue in that every part of our society is becoming politicized. That isn't to mean that athletes aren't supposed to hold political views. Of course they are and if these guys were protesting and marching on their own time I doubt many would give a shit. But, most people turn to sports, movies, music etc as an escape from everyday life a chance to immerse yourself in something else. It isn't the place I go to see MORE politics

4) As an offshoot of #3 the NFL is the source of its own demise. It started with the whole Pink in October bullshit. And no, that doesn't mean I don't care about Breast Cancer Awareness, but plenty of people are aware of breast cancer the NFL didn't need to get in. I get it. They were trying to grow their fan base and that is their business, but you don't do it at the expense of your core viewership. The whole CTE is another politicized issue.

5) Goodell is the worst Commissioner in history. How he handled the Ray Rice situation was a travesty. Ray Rice got screwed royally.

I predicted two years ago that the NFLs glory days were behind it that we would see its inevitable decline. I was laughed at. People said "look at all the money they are making". That is usually when BIG businesses are ripe for the fall. The sad thing is that the NFL is going to be the architect of its demise.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Hello Darth,



Thanks for the link. Can you quote me some part of that story that says the President offered to the protesting players to come to the White House for a meeting?

An offer was made, but it was a different offer. I do like viewing different media, but I also like to get the story straight.

The offer was to consider individual pardons for incarcerated people the players feel were wrongly sentenced harshly.

How does that get dead and cold black Walter Scott his life back, who was shot in the back while running away from a white police officer who stopped him over a broken tail light? And how does that prevent more Walter Scott's?

While it certainly is a meaningful offer to pardon some individuals, that doesn't change the system. It may, however, provide some publicity for the President and suggest that protesting police discrimination should then stop, which it should NOT. Not until there is fair and equal treatment.

Did you forget that the Office who did this was prosecuted??

Who's being prosecuted for the 70+ shootings in Chicago, last weekend??

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You have a bad habit of evading my questions lol.

We both know the Rich Black dude has a much better chance under or justice system than the poor Appalachian bugger.

Because, money. Money buys better legal representation. Regardless of the color of your skin.

What does that say about the justice system?

Just look at large number of NFL players who have been charged with felonies and are still walking free and still playing in the NFL.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Actually, no...that was easy...

I wonder if Frank would feel the same way; if every time he played golf, he had to wait while protesters stood on the fairways or greens!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Most of the conversation surrounding crime involves black people, who selfishly take all of the credit for being criminals. Blacks are notorious for being called thugs and gangsters, but the real MVPs (Most Violent People) are whites. Everyday in cities across the country, people die at the hands of white people. What’s more, they’re killing their own kind. According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. In 2011, there were more cases of whites killing whites than there were of blacks killing blacks. Between 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang-related murders were committed by white people, with a majority of the homicide victims being white as well.

In America, whites commit the majority of crimes. What’s even more troubling is that they are also responsible for a vast majority of violent crimes. In 2013, whites led all other groups in aggravated assault, larceny-theft, arson, weapons-carrying, and vandalism. When it comes to sexual assault, whites take the forcible rape cake. They are also more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, their significant others, and even themselves! They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment. In 2013, an estimated 10,076 people died in the U.S. due to drunk driving crashes. Driving while drunk is almost exclusively a white crime because everyone knows black people prefer to drink on their porches or inside their homes.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-coddett/white-on-white-crime-an-u_b_6771878.html

You fucking moron.

You're just a bigot, who ignores anything and everything that doesn't allow you to promote your bigotry and bias.