Newt can beat Obama, but can he beat Romney?

The past couple of weeks, Herman Cain has dropped in the polls, largely due to the smear campaign and his own 'moments' along the way. Of course, the pinheads here will get great satisfaction in throwing this up in my face, since I have been an ardent Cain supporter from the start. But if you read my posts regarding my support for Cain, you understand that I have never believed my candidate would ultimately be the GOP nominee. I only hope he is in the race long enough to be on the ballot in my state, and I can cast my vote for him... he's my guy, I am loyal, I will vote for him. I know, his chances of actually winning the nomination are not great, they never have been, and he probably won't win, but he is the candidate I like and support, and as I have said before, the last time "my candidate" ultimately won the presidency, it was Ronald Reagan. I generally don't pick the eventual nominee, I may support them in the general, but they weren't my first choice, such was the case with Bush (both), Dole, and McCain. So while the pinheads get their jollies thinking I am butt hurt that Cain is not winning, I take it all in stride, ANY of the potential nominees is better than Obama.

This recent slowing of the Cain Train, has made me start thinking more about Newt Gingrich. He got off to a very rough start, he has all kinds of negative baggage, and his 'unfavorable' numbers rival Sarah Palin's, so those are the "cons" with Newt, off the top of my head. Still, in every debate, the consensus has been, he is the smartest man up there. He knows history, he knows policy, he has been there and in many ways, led the first conservative revolution under Reagan. Surely, if any of the nominees are familiar with Reagan Conservatism, it would have to be Newt Gingrich. If you are looking at a candidate to contrast with Obama, Newt is much better than Romney, or probably anyone else who could be nominated. Newt would absolutely crush Obama in a debate. No one has command of the issues like Newt, he may not always have the best answers or clearest solutions, but he is well-informed on just about everything related to the office of the presidency.

Cain's conservative philosophy is very close to Newt's, and much like Newt, Cain has not been afraid to propose bold innovative ideas, based in core conservative principle, like his 999 plan. When Cain was asked which person on the debate stage he would select as a VP, if he had to pick one, he picked Newt. Cain has great respect for Gingrich, and I think they are both very similarly aligned in their conservative views on most issues. Newt is like Cain with political experience and gravitas. I think this is why we are seeing the shift in the polls, as Cain declines, Newt gains... but Newt is gaining more than Cain is declining, so this leads me to believe he is also drawing in Rick Perry supporters, Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann supporters, and maybe a good chunk of the undecideds and independents. He has literally brought his campaign back from the dead, to contest Romney. Impressive.

Now Romney is still the GOP Golden Boy at this point, it seems the establishment elites think we have to nominate Romney in order to defeat Obama. I personally think every Liberal in America is secretly praying each night that the GOP does nominate Romney! They already have the political game plan to run against a moderate conservative. It would be a struggle, an uphill knock-down battle the whole way, and in the end, we MIGHT be able to elect a moderate "Bush/McCain-style" Republican to the presidency. Is that a "good" thing for Conservatism? I personally don't want another Bush administration, or a McCain administration, and I think that would be how a Romney administration would ultimately play out. But a Newt administration wouldn't be like Bush or McCain, as Newt's Reagan Conservatism often clashed with both, back in the day. Now is the time for conservatives to do some soul searching, and consider who we want to nominate. Time is getting close, and the shake-out is starting to happen. Are we destined to let the establishment elites pick our nominee, or are we ready to unite behind someone who we know is capable of beating the dog snot out of Obama?
 
Oh, Newt can obliterate Obama, it wouldn't even be close.

That's Dixie-speak. You seem aware of Newt's negatives. Are you aware of the effect he has on independents?

He'd lose. And Obama is a very weak candidate right now. But a Newt nomination would be a gift for Dems.
 
Newt Gingrich. I love it. I can't wait for the Tea Party crowd to rally 'round a former lobbyist for Freddy Mac who was retained by the firm just around the time that the Republicans in the Senate sat on "the bill" that would have saved the global economy, at least according to the Barney Frank haters of the world.

Hilarious.
 
Newt Gingrich. I love it. I can't wait for the Tea Party crowd to rally 'round a former lobbyist for Freddy Mac who was retained by the firm just around the time that the Republicans in the Senate sat on "the bill" that would have saved the global economy, at least according to the Barney Frank haters of the world.

Hilarious.

 
The past couple of weeks, Herman Cain has dropped in the polls, largely due to the smear campaign and his own 'moments' along the way. Of course, the pinheads here will get great satisfaction in throwing this up in my face, since I have been an ardent Cain supporter from the start. But if you read my posts regarding my support for Cain, you understand that I have never believed my candidate would ultimately be the GOP nominee. I only hope he is in the race long enough to be on the ballot in my state, and I can cast my vote for him... he's my guy, I am loyal, I will vote for him. I know, his chances of actually winning the nomination are not great, they never have been, and he probably won't win, but he is the candidate I like and support, and as I have said before, the last time "my candidate" ultimately won the presidency, it was Ronald Reagan. I generally don't pick the eventual nominee, I may support them in the general, but they weren't my first choice, such was the case with Bush (both), Dole, and McCain. So while the pinheads get their jollies thinking I am butt hurt that Cain is not winning, I take it all in stride, ANY of the potential nominees is better than Obama.

This recent slowing of the Cain Train, has made me start thinking more about Newt Gingrich. He got off to a very rough start, he has all kinds of negative baggage, and his 'unfavorable' numbers rival Sarah Palin's, so those are the "cons" with Newt, off the top of my head. Still, in every debate, the consensus has been, he is the smartest man up there. He knows history, he knows policy, he has been there and in many ways, led the first conservative revolution under Reagan. Surely, if any of the nominees are familiar with Reagan Conservatism, it would have to be Newt Gingrich. If you are looking at a candidate to contrast with Obama, Newt is much better than Romney, or probably anyone else who could be nominated. Newt would absolutely crush Obama in a debate. No one has command of the issues like Newt, he may not always have the best answers or clearest solutions, but he is well-informed on just about everything related to the office of the presidency.

Cain's conservative philosophy is very close to Newt's, and much like Newt, Cain has not been afraid to propose bold innovative ideas, based in core conservative principle, like his 999 plan. When Cain was asked which person on the debate stage he would select as a VP, if he had to pick one, he picked Newt. Cain has great respect for Gingrich, and I think they are both very similarly aligned in their conservative views on most issues. Newt is like Cain with political experience and gravitas. I think this is why we are seeing the shift in the polls, as Cain declines, Newt gains... but Newt is gaining more than Cain is declining, so this leads me to believe he is also drawing in Rick Perry supporters, Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann supporters, and maybe a good chunk of the undecideds and independents. He has literally brought his campaign back from the dead, to contest Romney. Impressive.

Now Romney is still the GOP Golden Boy at this point, it seems the establishment elites think we have to nominate Romney in order to defeat Obama. I personally think every Liberal in America is secretly praying each night that the GOP does nominate Romney! They already have the political game plan to run against a moderate conservative. It would be a struggle, an uphill knock-down battle the whole way, and in the end, we MIGHT be able to elect a moderate "Bush/McCain-style" Republican to the presidency. Is that a "good" thing for Conservatism? I personally don't want another Bush administration, or a McCain administration, and I think that would be how a Romney administration would ultimately play out. But a Newt administration wouldn't be like Bush or McCain, as Newt's Reagan Conservatism often clashed with both, back in the day. Now is the time for conservatives to do some soul searching, and consider who we want to nominate. Time is getting close, and the shake-out is starting to happen. Are we destined to let the establishment elites pick our nominee, or are we ready to unite behind someone who we know is capable of beating the dog snot out of Obama?

Then we have a column by Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/newt-gingrich-no-conservative
In 2003, Gingrich stumped hard for President George W. Bush's prescription drug bill, which has added about $17 trillion to Medicare's unfunded liabilities. "Every conservative member of Congress should vote for this Medicare bill," Newt urged.

And in his 2008 book "Real Change," he endorsed an individual mandate for health insurance.

In a 2006 piece for Human Events, Gingrich offered House Republicans "11 Ways to Say: 'We're Not Nancy Pelosi.' " Point seven proposed a Solyndra-on-steroids industrial policy devoted to "developing more clean coal solutions, investing in a conversion to a hydrogen economy" and more. It's not clear why the former madame speaker would complain


Just face it Dixie, The right doesnt seem to have an alternative.
 
Then we have a column by Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/newt-gingrich-no-conservative
In 2003, Gingrich stumped hard for President George W. Bush's prescription drug bill, which has added about $17 trillion to Medicare's unfunded liabilities. "Every conservative member of Congress should vote for this Medicare bill," Newt urged.

And in his 2008 book "Real Change," he endorsed an individual mandate for health insurance.

In a 2006 piece for Human Events, Gingrich offered House Republicans "11 Ways to Say: 'We're Not Nancy Pelosi.' " Point seven proposed a Solyndra-on-steroids industrial policy devoted to "developing more clean coal solutions, investing in a conversion to a hydrogen economy" and more. It's not clear why the former madame speaker would complain


Just face it Dixie, The right doesnt seem to have an alternative.

Yeah, Newt has a lot of baggage, I still haven't gotten over he and Nancy on the couch together, talking about global warming... So Liberals will have lots of material to hurl at Gingrich as he pounds Obama about the head and upper torso on the economy and current conditions, the question will be, are the voters more interested in back and forth yah-yah about the past, or the current economic situation? I think I know the answer to that.

See... here's the thing... I have a little different take on a strategy than most... I personally think the candidate who tweaks liberal melons the most, is the BEST candidate, because you will be busy throwing up irrelevant shit that no one cares about, while we focus on the future and getting us out of this mess. The more time you waste telling voters about Newt's illustrious past, the more time Newt is convincing people he knows how to bring America back to prosperity. In the end, the voter will decide if they want to continue the partisan blame game, or if they are ready for real leadership. Again, I think I know the answer. Time will tell.
 
Yeah, Newt has a lot of baggage, I still haven't gotten over he and Nancy on the couch together, talking about global warming... So Liberals will have lots of material to hurl at Gingrich as he pounds Obama about the head and upper torso on the economy and current conditions, the question will be, are the voters more interested in back and forth yah-yah about the past, or the current economic situation? I think I know the answer to that.

See... here's the thing... I have a little different take on a strategy than most... I personally think the candidate who tweaks liberal melons the most, is the BEST candidate, because you will be busy throwing up irrelevant shit that no one cares about, while we focus on the future and getting us out of this mess. The more time you waste telling voters about Newt's illustrious past, the more time Newt is convincing people he knows how to bring America back to prosperity. In the end, the voter will decide if they want to continue the partisan blame game, or if they are ready for real leadership. Again, I think I know the answer. Time will tell.

Example of "tweaking liberal melons from Newt"-
there are his stands on what the President should do/have done about Libya:
http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_question/2011/03/...policy-is-worse

and http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/03/23/152423/gingrich-libya-flip-flop/

Then there was the time when he was reprimanded by the Congress for his ethics violations:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polit...ries/012297.htm
---
House Reprimands, Penalizes Speaker
By John E. Yang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 22 1997; Page A01

The House voted overwhelmingly yesterday to reprimand House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and order him to pay an unprecedented $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House's 208-year history it has disciplined a speaker for ethical wrongdoing.

The ethics case and its resolution leave Gingrich with little leeway for future personal controversies, House Republicans said. Exactly one month before yesterday's vote, Gingrich admitted that he brought discredit to the House and broke its rules by failing to ensure that financing for two projects would not violate federal tax law and by giving the House ethics committee false information.

"Newt has done some things that have embarrassed House Republicans and embarrassed the House," said Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.). "If [the voters] see more of that, they will question our judgment."


-----
The man has baggage of his own making. And yes, I think the voters will take more interested in his past actions(especially in the House) as they make their selection for President.
 
Last edited:
Can you prove that the references are/were inaccurate? IS fox included in your lapdog list?

"Gingrich's congressional career ended in 1998 when he abruptly resigned from Congress after poor showings from Republicans in elections and after being reprimanded by the House ethics panel over charges that he used tax-exempt funding to advance his political goals."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258001,00.html#ixzz1dnpZ6Ldl


Even Rand paul knows

 
Last edited:
Yeah... RAND PAUL is our Core Conservative barometer in American politics!

:lmao:

Speaking of barometer of Core conservative American politics....I see you havent commented on this----

Can you prove that the references are/were inaccurate? IS fox included in your lapdog list?

"Gingrich's congressional career ended in 1998 when he abruptly resigned from Congress after poor showings from Republicans in elections and after being reprimanded by the House ethics panel over charges that he used tax-exempt funding to advance his political goals."

SPECIFICALLY THE "being reprimanded by the House ethics panel over charges" PART.. Maybe your monitor was malfunctioning over the above part.........Hmmmm!!!

Anyway, I join you in the Laughing for what the repubs has placed for and alternative to what we have now, though:good4u:..but you've got Newt.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top