New study confirms climate models suck

cawacko said:
If you were put in a position of power to create legislation to deal with climate change what would be at the top of your list? (not asking in a snarky or gotcha question type way)
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I appreciate the question, but....

I know message boarders like to play arm chair expert, but that's just not my bag, man. It takes years of expertise and training to even begin to understand, let alone propose, a viable mix of climate solutions in a legislative, engineering, economic, and scientific context. Multi-disciplinary levels of expertise far beyond my day to day skill set.

It certainly has to involve some mix of carbon source control, carbon sinks, regulatory structures, as well as free market solutions, tax policy incentives, research and development, and coordination at the international level with partner countries. And lets be honest, there has to be a series of well thought out adaptation strategies, because we have delayed for so long we are, in fact, on a collision course to have to deal with the ramifications of a rapidly changing global climate.

It is a level of sophistication and complexity that I fully admit I am not an expert in, and have no intention of playing an expert on a message board.

I just want people from all sides of the aisle, liberal and conservative, to not only accept that this is one of the great moral and environmental challenges of our generation, but to think creatively on how to implement climate solutions and adaptation. If you can convince some of your global warming denying cohorts that this is one of the pre-eminent challenges of our generation, then I would be happy to hear some free market climate solutions.
 
Cypress said:
I appreciate the question, but....

I know message boarders like to play arm chair expert, but that's just not my bag, man. It takes years of expertise and training to even begin to understand, let alone propose, a viable mix of climate solutions in a legislative, engineering, economic, and scientific context. Multi-disciplinary levels of expertise far beyond my day to day skill set.

It certainly has to involve some mix of carbon source control, carbon sinks, regulatory structures, as well as free market solutions, tax policy incentives, research and development, and coordination at the international level with partner countries. And lets be honest, there has to be a series of well thought out adaptation strategies, because we have delayed for so long we are, in fact, on a collision course to have to deal with the ramifications of a rapidly changing global climate.

It is a level of sophistication and complexity that I fully admit I am not an expert in, and have no intention of playing an expert on a message board.

I just want people from all sides of the aisle, liberal and conservative, to not only accept that this is one of the great moral and environmental challenges of our generation, but to think creatively on how to implement climate solutions and adaptation. If you can convince some of your global warming denying cohorts that this is one of the pre-eminent challenges of our generation, then I would be happy to hear some free market climate solutions.
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Meh

I am good wit doing nothing. You will be dead so who cares

You have a better chance of being killed by a nut job liberal or ISIS than from climate change.

How do you guys manage to handle the change from spring to Summer?

Talk about a huge change in climate. I man we can go from 60 degrees F to 99 degrees F

And for some reason I am supposed to get all worried about 0.1 degree?

I'll pass. But you feel free to change your lifestyle for your beliefs.
 
What is hilarious is that I am the biggest man made climate skeptic on JPP and from what I can gather, I am the only one who is powering a house 100% off of "alternative" energy.

I have hydro and use solar for hot water heater. Burn wood for heat and cooking, although it can make it a little toasty in the summer to cook indoors.

Not one JPP lefty I know of has invested their own dollars into their alternative circle jerk for their own homes. Why not? The technology is available. They all claim to be uber rich. What is stopping them from saving the erf?


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tinfoil said:
https://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2973.html
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What is the most shocking of all about that paper in Nature Geoclimate is the lead author Ben Santer. He was one of the more vociferous and energetic alarmists exposed in the Climategate emails. So it's truly refreshing to see that he's actually decided to become a true scientist at last.

Alarmist scientists like Ben Santer had previously gone to great lengths to deny the existence of a ‘Pause’ in global warming, to pour scorn on those who have argued otherwise and to insist that their computer models are fundamentally reliable.

The fact that he is involved in this embarrassing retraction, his admission on the Pause is bad enough, but what the paper says about the unreliability of the computer models is truly breathtaking in its implications.


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Threedee said:
So, the math is wrong? :cof1:
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More than that, Ben Santer was the poster boy for Pause Denial and belief in climate models. That he is the lead author for this paper in Nature is huge.

He once said that if he met Pat Michaels, a leading climate sceptic, he would punch him on the nose. This for the audacious crime of actually behaving like a scientist and following the actual evidence rather than a climate activist. I think the logjam is finally about to break, not before time I might add.

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$40 tax on carbon emissions.? ... which will just go up and up.

In the Al Gorian world ... only the rich can afford the luxury of "pollutin' ". This is a typical liberal 'fuck the poor" move :palm:
 
Bigdog said:
$40 tax on carbon emissions.? ... which will just go up and up.

In the Al Gorian world ... only the rich can afford the luxury of "pollutin' ". This is a typical liberal 'fuck the poor" move :palm:
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Yes and fuck the Third World, especially Africa, where coal is used extensively as a cheap fuel.

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Milagro said:
Yes and fuck the Third World, especially Africa, where coal is used extensively as a cheap fuel.

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Yep ... the Socialist Deocrats hate Blacks whose votes they can not buy.

And we look at the current rape of the Congo old growth forest ... not a peep from the Leftwing Socialist pigs. Or the conversion of South America old growth forest to charcoal ... not a peep from the Progressives or State Media.

The Left is silent on shark finning, bottom trawling, long line fishing, gov't subsidized fishing fleets, plankton decline, and bycatch. Hell, those are all terms the Lefties have never even heard of. :palm:

They're more interested in giving tax breaks to mega corporations (like GE) who put "green stickers" on their products. :palm:

They tithe at the Church of Al Gore to have all their other pollutin' sins forgiven by the Almighty Goracle.
 
When I start talking about real time actual environmental issues, ... the Al Gorian worshipers, the fake "save the Earth" crowd, gets confused and flees the thread :palm:
 
Micawber said:
Why should you have a voice? Seriously. Have you ever considered that stupid people should have a diminished voice? Wouldn't the world be a better place if dumb people listened and smart people talked? Wouldn't that increase the knowledge of humans? Is it less than pure evil to think or act otherwise. Please shut up, for goodness sakes.
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You're an arrogant shit. Can you tell me why one of most vociferous critics of the Pause and who wrote much of the stuff you now parrot in IPCC reports has now changed his mind?

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tinfoil said:
I guess Nature is now a denier site!
You warmers are fun to watch. You're still on your high horse despite all of your alarming prediction failing to materialize.
Keep fucking that chicken
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He was the one that said he wouldn't believe anything unless it was in Nature or Science. Now he's attempting to backtrack, pathetic really.

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Milagro said:
Did you look out the window in your Texas retirement home? What does that crazy Australian bint Miriam O'Brien at Hotwhopper have to say?

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No, I'm smarter than that, I realize climate does not equal weather, but my pool is lovely and quite welcome these days.
 
Micawber said:
Why should you have a voice? Seriously. Have you ever considered that stupid people should have a diminished voice? Wouldn't the world be a better place if dumb people listened and smart people talked? Wouldn't that increase the knowledge of humans? Is it less than pure evil to think or act otherwise. Please shut up, for goodness sakes.
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So you're back to your arrogant tosser mode, I'll bloody guarantee that you've never heard of Ben Santer, so really it should be you doing the shutting up!

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