Never forget what this is REALLY all about.....

zymurgy said:
he never said otherwise retardo

he is explaining how they are trying to change this policy

your reading comprehension failures are once again the problem
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If that guy really is an attorney I feel sorry for his clients. Attention to detail is not his strong suit it would seem.
 
Damocles said:
His OP says that the left knows that the "right will win in the battle to remove the illegals from the census"... Making it clear he understands they have been counted in the past. You just don't bother to read what he wrote, build up the strawman you think you can win an argument against, then pray that nobody notices.
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Ok, good point, maybe it was not as ignorant as I thought.

Why would the right win the battle to remove the illegals from the census?
 
Jarod said:
Ok, good point, maybe it was not as ignorant as I thought.

Why would the right win the battle to remove the illegals from the census?
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Well, if you read the OP you will find out. But I'll bullet point it below for you, since you cannot be bothered to read it.

The OP says:
- The left likes to include illegal immigrants because it gives them more votes in the Electoral College.
- Their inclusion changes the Electoral College vote allocation.
- Lately folks have been moving away from the states that vote Blue, but they import more illegal immigrants to stem the loss of EC votes.
- Their removal from the count will change it to favor the Republicans by more than 8 electoral college votes.
 
Damocles said:
Well, if you read the OP you will find out. But I'll bullet point it below for you, since you cannot be bothered to read it.

The OP says:
- The left likes to include illegal immigrants because it gives them more votes in the Electoral College.
- Their inclusion changes the Electoral College vote allocation.
- Lately folks have been moving away from the states that vote Blue, but they import more illegal immigrants to stem the loss of EC votes.
- Their removal from the count will change it to favor the Republicans by more than 8 electoral college votes.
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Interesting theory, but it seems to me the Constitution is very clear.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Dude, illegals have always been counted. It's Trump who wants to change it.

IMO, the solution is simple: Immigration Reform. The problem is that Congress won't pass a bill and Trump killed the last one they had.

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Who are counted among the foreign-born population?
The foreign-born population is composed of anyone who is not a U.S. citizen at birth. This includes naturalized U.S. citizens, non-citizen U.S. nationals, lawful permanent residents (immigrants), temporary migrants (such as foreign students), humanitarian migrants (such as refugees and asylees), and unauthorized migrants. Everyone else is counted among the native-born population, which comprises anyone who is a U.S. citizen at birth, including people born in the United States, Puerto Rico, a U.S. Island Area (Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islands), or abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents.

Who are the foreign born?
The U.S. Census Bureau uses the term foreign born to refer to anyone who is not a U.S. citizen at birth. This includes naturalized U.S. citizens, non-citizen U.S. nationals, lawful permanent residents (immigrants), temporary migrants (such as foreign students), humanitarian migrants (such as refugees and asylees), and unauthorized migrants.
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I'm perfectly fine with counting them. What should be done is not use that count for assigning electoral college votes or for apportionment of seats in the House. That's because persons who are foreigners are not represented by our government like citizens are. They are represented by the government of the nation they are a citizen of.

For example, many illegals from Mexico in the US still vote in Mexico's elections. Why should they be counted towards anything political in the US?
 
Damocles said:
That is not what he said. He said they want to "keep counting the illegals"... It is clear he understands that they have been counted in the past.
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It's in the Constitution and has been adjudicated by SCOTUS. It can't be changed by fiat, EO or Trump Tweet. Congress has to change it.

While I agree they should be counted in the census, I also agree that the numbers shouldn't be included for apportionment of House Reps. Again, that needs to be done by Congress.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm perfectly fine with counting them. What should be done is not use that count for assigning electoral college votes or for apportionment of seats in the House. That's because persons who are foreigners are not represented by our government like citizens are. They are represented by the government of the nation they are a citizen of.

For example, many illegals from Mexico in the US still vote in Mexico's elections. Why should they be counted towards anything political in the US?
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I'm good with that as previously posted, but it needs to be done by Congress, not your Orange Messiah by tweet, EO or whines.
 
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