Navy to investigate lewd videos shown on carrier

[WinterBorn]

When did I claim that money was wasted?

Ok look, if you want to dance I suggest a trip to a local studio.

So far you have insinuated that money was wasted, but failed to show any actual money wasted.

You have insinuated that the content was offensive, and then denied that was why you disliked this event. In fact, you even challenged me on whether or not you said you disliked it.


So you have not said money was wasted?

You have not said the content offended you?

You have not said you disliked this video?

And you have yet to answer a very simple question I asked you 3 or 4 pages ago.



Mojo, you have done nothing but dance. Let me know when you want to actually take a stand, participate in a discussion, and want to actually debate this.

Otherwise, you can dance on all you want.

 

[Cancel8]

Ok look, if you want to dance I suggest a trip to a local studio.

So far you have insinuated that money was wasted, but failed to show any actual money wasted.

You have insinuated that the content was offensive, and then denied that was why you disliked this event. In fact, you even challenged me on whether or not you said you disliked it.


So you have not said money was wasted?

You have not said the content offended you?

You have not said you disliked this video?

And you have yet to answer a very simple question I asked you 3 or 4 pages ago.



Mojo, you have done nothing but dance. Let me know when you want to actually take a stand, participate in a discussion, and want to actually debate this.

Otherwise, you can dance on all you want.

So you admit that I never said money was wasted or that the video offended me?

 

[WinterBorn]

So you admit that I never said money was wasted or that the video offended me?

When I suggested that it was the content that offended you, and asked if I was correct, your response was:

"You are not.

Are you ready to cut wasteful government spending?"



Was the question just an off topic inquiry? Because, to me, it looks more like you saying this was a case of wasteful government spending.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

You are not.

Are you ready to cut wasteful government spending?

When did I claim that money was wasted?

So you admit that I never said money was wasted or that the video offended me?

lol....what a liar

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

When I suggested that it was the content that offended you, and asked if I was correct, your response was:

"You are not.

Are you ready to cut wasteful government spending?"



Was the question just an off topic inquiry? Because, to me, it looks more like you saying this was a case of wasteful government spending.

he is a liar.....but have fun have with him

 

[WinterBorn]

he is a liar.....but have fun have with him

He debates like SM. He hints at things, but refuses to actually say anything, and then challenges you to prove all your assertions. And refuses to answer any questions.

Is Mojo just an SM troll?

 

[Cancel8]

He debates like SM. He hints at things, but refuses to actually say anything, and then challenges you to prove all your assertions. And refuses to answer any questions.

Is Mojo just an SM troll?

Were we "debating"?

I posed a question.

Does using government personnel and equipment to record this kind of stuff constitute "wasteful spending"?

If you regard that as a 'hint', that's your prerogative.

You claim that no money was spent on Captain Honors's videos, but refuse to reveal any evidence to substantiate the assertion.

Who is "SM"?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

He debates like SM. He hints at things, but refuses to actually say anything, and then challenges you to prove all your assertions. And refuses to answer any questions.

Is Mojo just an SM troll?

i don't think so....mojo hates me....he had two posts with me and then has pretended to ignore me ever since...and both posts had no insults

he is a pussy....i don't care if his legion or maineman or whoever....he is a troll and has an irrational hatred for me....he is scared to debate to me...

but i see no reason to ignore him, his bs should be countered

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Were we "debating"?

I posed a question.



If you regard that as a 'hint', that's your prerogative.

You claim that no money was spent on Captain Honors's videos, but refuse to reveal any evidence to substantiate the assertion.

Who is "SM"?

no dumbass...you made the claim it was wasteful spending

but i know you are too scared to address that

and the continued "who is that poster"....is old and no one believes you, no one

 

[WinterBorn]

Were we "debating"?

I posed a question.

Just posed a question? You have been posing questions for 4 pages. You refuse to answer them, but you love to pose them.

If you regard that as a 'hint', that's your prerogative.

You claim that no money was spent on Captain Honors's videos, but refuse to reveal any evidence to substantiate the assertion.

Who is "SM"?

A hint? lol If you were not calling the video "wasteful gov't spending" then you were being deliberately misleading in your posts.

I have provided ample evidence. I have explained that nothing was consumed in the production of a digital video. And I have explained that the personnel who shot, edited and generally created the video were also not an expenditure, and that it could even be argued that it would provide additional training.

What you have done is dance.




Now, if you would like to continue, lets clear up some things you have deliberately tried to hide.

#1 - Do you think this video was a waste of gov't funds?

#2 - If you do, what monies were spent exclusively on this video?

#3 - Do you think Huckleberry Finn should be in the ship's library?




Now, how about answering some questions posed directly to you?

 

[WinterBorn]

i don't think so....mojo hates me....he had two posts with me and then has pretended to ignore me ever since...and both posts had no insults

he is a pussy....i don't care if his legion or maineman or whoever....he is a troll and has an irrational hatred for me....he is scared to debate to me...

but i see no reason to ignore him, his bs should be countered

I am predicting Mojo doesn't answer my questions. What do you think, Yurt?

 

[Cancel8]

..."I have provided ample evidence. I have explained that nothing was consumed in the production of a digital video. And I have explained that the personnel who shot, edited and generally created the video were also not an expenditure..."

Your unsupported statement that "nothing was consumed" and "that the personnel who shot, edited and generally created the video were also not an expenditure" constitutes "ample evidence"?

..."it did not use any gov't funds, or use any equipment in a manner for which it was not intended..."

Really? According to what sources? Care to name them?

..."I simply pointed out that no money was wasted..."

Does your assertion make it so?

...you made the claim that money was wasted...

I did? When?

"...There were no expenditures and nothing was consumed..."

Explain how you know "there were no expenditures and nothing was consumed", and while you're thinking of a way to avoid backing up your assertions, in the meantime, provide a link to the post where I "made the claim that money was wasted."

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

why is mojo so afraid to debate yurt?

nevermind...i already know

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Because I am interested in knowing what top military leaders you believe were both respected by their men, and presented a face of human fallability. Can you name some or not? You were the one making the claim.

Yes I can.

 

[WinterBorn]

Your unsupported statement that "nothing was consumed" and "that the personnel who shot, edited and generally created the video were also not an expenditure" constitutes "ample evidence"?

I explained that in creating a digital video, there was nothing consumed. The video is recorded onto a harddrive, is edited, manipulated, and stored on a computer harddrive, and shown via shipboard video system. The equipment is already onboard the carrier. So no expenditures were made and nothing was consumed.

Would you care to refute that?



You have danced enough. Let me know when you want to step up and talk about the topic instead of insinuating things and then wanting to back up when called on it.

 

[Cancel8]

I explained that in creating a digital video, there was nothing consumed. The video is recorded onto a harddrive, is edited, manipulated, and stored on a computer harddrive, and shown via shipboard video system. The equipment is already onboard the carrier. So no expenditures were made and nothing was consumed.

Would you care to refute that?



You have danced enough. Let me know when you want to step up and talk about the topic instead of insinuating things and then wanting to back up when called on it.

Apparently, you have no knowledge of the veracity of your assertions.

Do you?

 

[cancel2 2022]

I explained that in creating a digital video, there was nothing consumed. The video is recorded onto a harddrive, is edited, manipulated, and stored on a computer harddrive, and shown via shipboard video system. The equipment is already onboard the carrier. So no expenditures were made and nothing was consumed.

Would you care to refute that?




You have danced enough. Let me know when you want to step up and talk about the topic instead of insinuating things and then wanting to back up when called on it.

We will have to wait until WikiLeaks publishes the video.

 

[WinterBorn]

Apparently, you have no knowledge of the veracity of your assertions.

Do you?

I certainly do. If you would like to tell me what was consumed or what expenditures were exclusively for this video, I would be happy to see it.

But so far all you have done is avoid answering questions while not saying much of anything.

Care to explain what was consumed?

 

[Damocles]

It may seem ridiculous to you, but that IS the standard expected in the Military. Behavior that would get a junior enlisted a quiet, off-the-books reprimandd will get a senior NCO a mention in their jacket, a junior officer an official reprimand with penalty, and a senior officer a possible court. Unfair? in the civilian world (where your presidents live) yes. But in the military, the hierarchy of command cannot be compromised to account for "human behavior".

The hierarchy of command is essential to a well functioning combat unit - and an aircraft carrier IS a combat unit. An officer who is viewed as having "screwed up" simply cannot command the respect that an officer who hass NOT screwed up. The XO screwed up because his actions refused to acknowledge the reality that his command is NOT comprised of a couple thousand horny men, but is, in fact, a mixed audience, some of whom are not only possible, but likely to take offense at his little endeavor.


That being said, and at the risk of offending women, I believe allowing women to serve on combat vessels is a mistake. NOT because I think they cannot handle combat roles, but because combat naval vessels are in a unique circumstance of being a closed society for several months on end. Combat roles are never more prevalent than on a naval vessel. The very acts of practicing their trade on an aircraft carrier is, literally, the most dangerous job in the military. Like real combat, the threat of death from even minor mistakes is a constant presence.

This creates a level of stress that is not present in other types of military units. Not only that, but there is the added factor that while at sea, there is no place the sailors can go to blow off the steam generated by high levels of combat-like stress. And that is during peacetime operations!

But, stress MUST be relieved, or bad things happen, such as increased "small" mistakes - those mistakes that can deal out death in a night trap.

One proven way for men to relieve stress is sexually. Nothing yanks the old libedo into high gear as much as a close brush with death. But women are off limits - so with women around, it only accentuates the stress felt by the men. Training accident statistics bear this out: they went up almost 25% when women were added to the crew of combat vessels, slowly dropped 10% and have stayed there: 15% above when combat ships were stag.

Of course, stag ships do not comprise of men running around dropping the soap to relieve stress. But what it DOES allow is conduct among men which cannot be allowed when women are present - including the occasional stag film run over the ship's entertainment center. Which in turn leads to men "using the purge valve" before hitting the bunks, thus relieving stress in a very old, biologically derived manner.

Let's really get into the reality of this.

The XO was informed he could make one last video, he did. What he had done in the video was already worked out by the military. Since that time he was selected to go to nuke training school, given command of a vessel, then again promoted and made captain of the Flagship of a Carrier group. 5 years later, after the video had already been dealt with by the military it becomes public and due to political idiocy and people who think that people who are XOs should be perfect at all times decided that he couldn't work anymore because he called himself a "FAG" (BTW - In Naval Aviation Parlance FAG stands for, quoting here, "FAG: Fighter Attack Guy - an F/A-18 Hornet/Super Hornet pilot or naval flight officer ("NFO")") while speaking to his "alter ego" Aviation Guy and SWO-Boy when talking to his "alter ego" SWO (Surface Warfare Officer).

He played all three parts in the video, and this seems to be the part that gets all the attention in every talk radio show.

Just so you'll know I'm not making this crap up here is a Glossary of US Navy Slang.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:U.S._Navy_slang#F

I am disappointed that my Navy would go all weak-kneed and fire the most qualified person to lead that ACC Group into battle based on political nonsense that doesn't even take into account what the man meant.

Now that I have given my opinion of what has been done to Capt. Honors, let's get back to the "wasteful spending" making morale building videos that make officers more approachable in a small community ship that is isolated for up to 9 months at a time with only short stops between long isolation periods. We used to call air craft carriers floating prisons for a reason.

No, it isn't wasteful spending. Boosting morale is not "wasteful".

 

[WinterBorn]

Let's really get into the reality of this.

The XO was informed he could make one last video, he did. What he had done in the video was already worked out by the military. Since that time he was selected to go to nuke training school, given command of a vessel, then again promoted and made captain of the Flagship of a Carrier group. 5 years later, after the video had already been dealt with by the military it becomes public and due to political idiocy and people who think that people who are XOs should be perfect at all times decided that he couldn't work anymore because he called himself a "FAG" (BTW - In Naval Aviation Parlance FAG stands for, quoting here, "FAG: Fighter Attack Guy - an F/A-18 Hornet/Super Hornet pilot or naval flight officer ("NFO")") while speaking to his "alter ego" Aviation Guy and SWO-Boy when talking to his "alter ego" SWO (Surface Warfare Officer).

He played all three parts in the video, and this seems to be the part that gets all the attention in every talk radio show.

Just so you'll know I'm not making this crap up here is a Glossary of US Navy Slang.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:U.S._Navy_slang#F

I am disappointed that my Navy would go all weak-kneed and fire the most qualified person to lead that ACC Group into battle based on political nonsense that doesn't even take into account what the man meant.

Now that I have given my opinion of what has been done to Capt. Honors, let's get back to the "wasteful spending" making morale building videos that make officers more approachable in a small community ship that is isolated for up to 9 months at a time with only short stops between long isolation periods. We used to call air craft carriers floating prisons for a reason.

No, it isn't wasteful spending. Boosting morale is not "wasteful".

I wondered why all this made the big news too. This is not the huge event it has been made out to be.