StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
The hypocrisy is unmistakable in this thread, isn't it?
How so?
The hypocrisy is unmistakable in this thread, isn't it?
How so?
Nope. You?
Not at all. Aren't you a supporter of the Green Deal?
What exactly is your definition of Socialism?
Don't you have a dictionary?
Yes, but Conservatives seem to have different definitions of Socialism.
When they're denouncing the welfare state, social programs are Socialism. When they're told that European welfare states are doing better than America, suddenly it's only Socialism if there is collective ownership, and the Nordic countries are Capitalist.
So you'll have to forgive me if I'm not sure what counts as Socialism this week. Is Obama still a Socialist?
I don't know what two faced "conservatives" that you speak of. To me, if it's not enumerated in the Constitution, then the federal government shouldn't be involved. For example the post office. That is a socialist institution by definition, but it's forced to compete with private carriers and is largely self-funded.
I agree with Trump's staff that they have to work around him and treat him like a child to get things done. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robe...e-terminology-memo_n_5c724378e4b03cfdaa55f93d Trump is not too bright. The few experts he stiil has around are circumventing his ignorance and the leaders he is talking to cannot help laughing at him.
So what makes a country Socialist? What qualifiers must it have?
It's a matter of degree. We have some socialism here in the US. I think it should be less.
I don't think the Federal government should undertake ANY socialist program other than what is mandated to it by the Constitution. Medicare, health care, social security, etc, should be the purview of state and local governments, or preferably, the people themselves. That let's California be California and Texas be Texas.
I always ask myself the same questions if my state or municipality were to consider a socialist program. Does it encourage slackers? Is it generally fair across all income levels? Is it taking business away from a privateer? The answers have to be no, yes, and no for me to support it.
So was Fox News wrong about Obama being a Socialist?
Yes. Obama was a straight down the middle capitalist. That is why he pissed off a bunch of leftys. He did not punish bankers for the crash they caused and let them slowly get back to where they were. He was very centrist in policy. It is just Fox and right wing scare sites that created the beliefe that he was a far lefty. He was not. But rightys do not think for themselves. If Fox and Breitbart say it, it is true.
So was Fox News wrong about Obama being a Socialist?
I don't care about the opinions of FNC pundits. Instead I form my opinions of The Obama on what he said himself:
“Only government can provide the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this deep and severe. Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy.”
He is definitely a socialist.
So is that what defines a Socialist? It's someone who wants to use the government to fix economic problems?
That's one definition. Another is an individual that thinks that the government can create wealth.
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