MY IDEA FOR GETTING AMERICA'S GUN PROBLEM UNDER CONTROL (by Dachshund)

[Hawkeye10]

Do you have a clue how absurd that post was? Start by defining who should be allowed to have a gun and act as police. Do they get constant training? Do we psychologically test them? Do we periodically test them?
The problem is guns and how easy it is to get them. Do you think a crazy guy with a gun is afraid of being shot? That is how many, many shootings end and many shooters seek that.

I disagree.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Kids going to school know there will be another school shooting. They just hope it will not be at their school. But our gun laws make it so it will happen. They also have to fear going in public. There is no place safe from a mentally damaged person with a gun. It apparently is what the founders wanted and gun lovers like.

Everything you said about guns can also be said about cars and with even more force. But you libs don't care about that which proves you don't care about saving lives.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Everything you said about guns can also be said about cars and with even more force. But you libs don't care about that which proves you don't care about saving lives.

You might recall that the Brits at least tried to outlaw knives with sharp pointy ends for "SAFETY!".....if the Revolution were largely successful in outlawing guns, perhaps along the same route as Canada is using, they would keep going.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

If Sandy Hook, four and five year old kids getting slaughtered by a guy with a semiautomatic weapon, didn’t produce any change nothing ever will, the violence and death will continue to escalate until America looks like Yemen

Americans do more killing with cars than guns and it would very easy to reduce the highway homicide by 90% and SAVE MONEY in the process but you libs say forget it. That's why everyone knows your dream of banning guns has nothing to do with saving lives.

BTW - even the FBI says sandy hook was a hoax.

 

[Into the Night]

Let's face facts, America has currently got a HUGE problem with gun crime.


I mean just look at what happened at Robb Elementary School (in Uvalde, Texas) last year. An 18 year old Hispanic (probably an illegal immigrant) walks into this Elementary School with an AR-15 rifle (which is effectively the same as a US Army M-16, only it cannot fire in fully = automatic mode - just semi-automatic, which means you can still squeeze off up to 60 rounds/minute). BTW, the AR-15 was the Official and Provisional IRA's favourite weapon; they loved it so much, they even wrote a song about it ("My Little Armalite", I think it was called). And guess who sent the IRA their very first batch of 27 AR-15s? I'll tell you, it was a group of crazy, white Yankee goof-balls who purchased them legally, over-the-counter, at gun shops in America, then bundled them all up together and sent them by US Post to Belfast. So, to continue, this 18 year old Hispanic casually walks into Robb Elementary School carrying an AR-15. He the, walks into a classroom of 4th grade kids and some teachers and says to them: "it's time to die." He then fires his AR-15 into the class and quickly kills 19 of the kids and two teachers. I forget how many casualties there were who survived. But the only way you don't die very fast if you are hit by a round from an AR-15 is if you are hit in an extremity like the hand/forearm or foot/lower leg.



Watching the video from the video cam-corder devices the cops were wearing and the footage from a school surveillance camera at the end of the hall the 4th graders' classroom was in - hearing rapid, semi-automatic fire from the AR-15 was one of the most sickening experiences of my life.



I hope you all understand that when the 2nd Amendment was ratified on December 15th of 1791, it was NEVER EVER the intention of the Founders that every American individual should be given some kind of absolute, sacred, right to purchase, possess and bear arms. That was NEVER, EVER, what they intended in the 2nd Amendment; and if they knew about the rates of gun crime in America today, they would be absolutely appalled and horrified


But how do you start to sort out the gigantic problem the US has with gun-crime today?


Here is just ONE measure I believe would at represent a meaningful start to sorting out the mess.


Any one over 18 who wants to purchase a firearm has to present official evidence that they have an IQ of 100 points AT LEAST, as evaluated using a standardised intelligence test (exactly like the US Military uses). A range of these tests already exist and have been validated countless times, they do not contain any kind of cultural bias either.


Of course, there is no absolute guarantee that a person who presents official evidence they have an IQ of 100 or over, will not buy a gun and perpetrate some heinous crime with it. But having an IQ of 100 points tend to correlate pretty well with being, at least, a NORMAL, REASONABLE, American adult - someone who is not unlikely to go and shoot up a elementry school

If Congress passed a measure like this , let's call it: the "Mandate for Cognitive Competence Firearms' Act"; OVERNIGHT South Chicago, to give one example, would be transformed from a bloody "killing field" to a relatively safe area. I GUARANTEE it.

For those who would object to such a firearms bill, the unified political response from Congress would be: "TOUGH TITTY, DUDE !! IT'S A GOOD PROPOSAL THAT WILL SAVE THOUSANDS OF LIVES AT THE STROKE OF A PEN.


Dachshund - the Wonder Hound


DLM....Dachshund Live Matter !!

No, you don't get to discard the 2nd amendment.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

TDAK doesn't like fast cars.

Others on the forum don't like guns.

All make the wrong argument, however.

Whether these things are good to have or not is completely irrelevant to the real issue.

What's relevant is that people want them, and the law exists to give people the kind of life that they want.

America is more fucked up than most countries
because never in our history
has there been a clear majority of people
who want the same things.

We packed millions of incompatible people between two oceans and called it a country.
Nobody thought, apparently, that anything might go wrong.

 

[Into the Night]

America is an advanced, Western nation that has the very worst problem with gun violence/crime/homicide of any advanced, civilised country on Earth right now. You need to face up to the facts and start to implement some kind of meaningful gun control measures. The fact that 18 year -old Mexican - American (??) kid can buy an AR-15 (i.e. a semi-automatic M-16) without any serious/meaningful vetting process IS PURE F**KING MADNESS.



Dachshund - the Wonder Hound


DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !

Nope. You are making up numbers again.

Honduras has that dubious honor, which suffers 91.6 gun homicides per 100k each year. Only 6.2 guns per 100 citizens too.
Then comes El Salvador, Jamaica, Venezuela, Belize, Quatemala, Zambia, Uganda, Malawi, ......

The States currently has 4.2 gun homicides per 100k, and 112.6 guns per 100 citizens.
Source: UNODC

 

[Into the Night]

You want to take the war on drugs to the war on guns huh?

Heh. THAT will be even less successful than the War on Drugs.

 

[Into the Night]

No (?)

I'm saying that in places like South Chicago - you ALREADY have mass gun-crime homicide happening.


I'm saying that there is a clear scientific explanation for this,namely that this population group is predominantly Black. The science has established that the average Black brain volume is significantly lower than that of White Americans and Asians. The larger an individual's brain volume the higher their IQ. This is the Average IQ of Asian-Americans is 105 points, while for Whites it is 100 points and the average IQ of Blacks is 85 points. Asian - Americans as a group have a larger average brain volume tham White Americans and White Americans, in turn, have a larger brain volume than Black-Americans.


The population of Black-Americans has the smallest brain size, what this means is that the part of the brain that mediates the most sophisticated cognitive processes - the PRE-FRONTAL CORTEX - is also relatively underdeveloped in African - Americans. The role of the pre-frontal cortex is to mediate self-control, which means IMPULSE-CONTOL and REGULATION of EMOTION. To cut a long story short if you have poor impulse- control, you can be very easily "triggered and "act out" violently without thinking of the consequence. If you give unrestricted open access to powerful or even standard firearms to African-Americans, who, on average, have poor impulse control, the result will be gun homicide carnage. (And) every statistic in the books shows that that is EXACTLY what you have now got.


So we know that an African-American enclave, like South Chicago, will have an average IQ of about 85 point, that means that on averge the adult community with have poor behavioural impulse-control. Right? And providing unfettered access to firearms for a population of individuals ain't a real smart idea, dude. It means lots of people in that community with be killed by firearms.


Finally, it seems that no matter what your race , having a professionally - measured, average IQ of around 85, should prohibit you from getting your hot, little hands on guns. Whereas in regions where the average IQ of residents has been 100 points (these we know are white American regions, for example) there has NEVER been any kind of over-the-top gun-crime carnage like that which is going down in America right now. Right. So the SCIENCE SUGGESTS you really should measure IQ before letting INDIVIDUALS of ANY RACE have permission to purchase, possess and bear firearms; and we have ashitload of evidence that indicate drawing a threashold at an IQ level of 85 points will save lots of live.


It's not a perfect, universal solution to gun crime/homicide in America, BUT it's SOMETHING, and I think a regulation along these lines would make for a VERY SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT in the present situation which is - let's face it - "totally beyond the F-ING pale."


BTW, do you think you would ever like to relocate somewhere in South Chicago? I think the only way you would ever be persuaded to do that would be literally "at gunpoint." Right?


Dachshund - the Wonder Hound


DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !

Racism. Unconstitutional. Argument from randU fallacies. Attempted proof by randU.

 

[Into the Night]

I think the kind of mandatory IQ test I am recommending would not eliminate MOST gun crime, but it would result in a substantial (meaningful) reduction.

I absolutely believe the same kind of IQ test should be made mandatory for all American citizens who wish to vote.

To sue the government ? No. No need for any IQ test.

Being able to earn the funds necessary to buy your own home is generally a reliable de facto test of IQ. You won't be able to do it if your IQ score is 85 or below. So, no need for a formal test here.

People with low IQ typically find it had to stay silent - "empty vessels make the most noise." Right? They are often, loud, blabber-mouths (whose verbal impulsivity tends to get them into a lot of trouble).

Not sure what you mean by preventing troops from being quartered in your home. I didn't know this was an issue in the US (?)

Everyone is absolutely entitled to "due process" regardless of their intelligence; and no American should ever, of course, be EXCESSIVELY punished.



Dachshund - the Wonder Hound


DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !

Unconstitutional. Racism. Argument from randU fallacy.

No, you can't ban or limit any weapon because you deem someone to be stupid.

 

[Into the Night]

Almost all shootings are by black men. We don't have a gun problem -stay away from blacks and you'll be fine.

Racism.

 

[Into the Night]

Seems like simply banning guns would be a lot easier.

Not possible. Unconstitutional.

 

[Into the Night]

Why do people think Chicago is some lawless place? Less than 500 homicides in a city of over 3M people. There are higher murder rates in rural red states than that, like Alaska for starters....

Argument from randU fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Alaska is a state not a city. What was the murder rate in Illinois last year?

Illinois is currently 6.2 per 100k citizens.
Alaska is currently 6.0 per 100k citizens.
Source: CDC

 

[Into the Night]

Right, a state with a fraction the population of Chicago, but a higher homicide rate.

Well according to this, the homicide rate in IL (8.9) is lower than in AK (12.3): https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state/

Lie. Alaska is currently 6.0 gun homicides per 100k citizens, while Illinois is currently 6.2 gun homicides per 100k citizens.
Source: CDC

The discussion is about gun homicide rates, not overall homicide rates.

 

[Into the Night]

Kids going to school know there will be another school shooting. They just hope it will not be at their school. But our gun laws make it so it will happen. They also have to fear going in public. There is no place safe from a mentally damaged person with a gun. It apparently is what the founders wanted and gun lovers like.

Omniscience fallacy. You don't get to speak for all kids.
You don't get to project your own homophobia or agoraphobia problems on anybody else.

Gun free zones don't work.

The one way to deal with a mass shooter is to shoot back.

 

[Into the Night]

LMAO!

Sure, because more people live there than in AK.

Is the reason you only want to look at gross numbers because you're gross?

Hey twit...the numbers are gun homicides per 100k. Population makes no difference.
Illinois 6.2, Alaska 6.0.

 

[Into the Night]

Gun ownership is tyranny.

Redefinition fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

look, when our founders say we had freedom of speech, they never dreamed of the internet where your speech could be so powerful

so time to rethink that

You don't get to speak for the dead.
The 1st amendment only applies to the federal government. It does NOT apply to the States.

 

[Into the Night]

But by doing so, you're closing yourself off to the full story.

No, that IS the discussion. YOU are trying to evade.