My Faith in Public educators is lost!

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patriot66 said:
Oh my Gosh quit with the absolute drivel, my brothers and I were all spanked and two out of three made something out of themselves one didn't he is a raging alcoholic. He made bad decisions growing up, was disciplined, and decided the consequences were worth it, nothing else. Got an issue get a tissue you bleeding heart liberals, our prison systems are full because of a lack of discipline at home and at school. Please send the police to my house I will tell them either, I can discipline them now or you can do it in a few years when they come to see you.
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Proof please that are jails are full due to lack of corporal punishment, thanks. I have studies that say the opposite.
 
patriot66 said:
I just admitted that in one case I did not deserve the paddling, I still made it in life ok, no law suits, no whining to my parents, because my parents would have said well you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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So you admit that a teacher paddled you despite your not deserving it...sounds like a bit of abuse to me.

Help me out here...didn't you JUST deny abuse takes place?
 
leaningright said:
I added a couple of commas in the above for clarity. If I am wrong in the intent of the statement please tell me. As to wanting kids to act like "clones," I would say that is not the case. But kids must learn some sort of self control and learn how to obey rules. In a civilized society there are ,in fact, rules to follow. If children are not taught to follow rules (notice, there is nothing in this about acting clone-ish) they will possibly (and in some cases, very likely) wind up incarcerated in adulthood. Now, if you don't like a rule (and I don't like this one) there are proper ways to go about getting it changed. This goes to Zappa's point and I agree with him on this. If this is indeed the rule then the kids should have followed it. Lobbied (worked through the right channels, petitioned, etc.) to try to change it, but obeyed it in the mean time.
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Now that's the civic mindedness I'm talking about!!! :) You rock LR!!!
 
leaningright said:
I do something about it. I use a cedar paddle, 1/2 inch thick and 2 ft. 4 in. long by 4 inches wide. In this I'll disagree with Rana and Zappa. I teach at a public school. We still use corporal punishment and our parents support it to the tune of 95+%. At the beginning of the year parents can opt thier kids out of it and it is extremely rare that they do. It is extremely effective at modifying behavior if not abused....and guys I disagree with on, I do know it is abused. I also understand that I live in a community that is still back in time. Shoot, for most of these kids if they get a paddling at school they can expect the same when they get home. That will sound familar to some folks on here too.
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That's the way it was for me when I was in school....and look how I turned out! :)


Well ok....maybe I'm not the best example. ;)
 
leaningright said:
After making the previous two posts, I feel the need to clarify that I haven't read up on this particular case so I do not know everything about what is going on. I am taking Zappa's word for it that the boys violated the dress code. I do not agree with the dress code if that is the case but rules are rules and there are proper ways to go about changing them. Here is our dress code:
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It's not like a member of the community can't do anything about it either if they don't like the rule.
 
Darla said:
Yes, child abuse is all too familiar to many. My favorite part of these conversations is when they invariably turn to who got beaten worse. I have been in office and other settings where that broke out. I remember one lady talking trumping everyone with a coat hanger story, and she was up against a great "my dad loved me so much he wore his arm out using his strap on me" story. It's cool because they all always end by saying "my parents loved me!". THat's how you know they've internalized abuse as love, and that is also always the answer to why their lives are so fucked up.

Which, they always were.

So yeah, it sounds familiar alright.
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My Dad....who holds a doctorate would say "Come here son, we need to talk" and my response would be "OH GOD NO NOT ANOTHER TALK! PLEASE DAD WHIP ME AND GET IT OVER WITH!!!".

He could make you think and feel lower than a snakes belly for doing something stupid or wrong and he didn't yell at you either. He would ask you questions....tough questions.....ones you knew the answer too....and they made you feel like a fool or an idiot or ashamed for your behavior. It worked though.

Mom on the other had....discipline wasn't her thing. She'd try, god bless her, and usually fail but she had a trump card! Which was "Wait till I tell your Dad...he's going to have a long talk with you!". Needless to say that got our attention.
 
We should just go around and give kids participation ribbons for showing up... because gosh darn it, they are just the most special little tikes in the world... who needs rules and discipline.
 
Superfreak said:
We should just go around and give kids participation ribbons for showing up... because gosh darn it, they are just the most special little tikes in the world... who needs rules and discipline.
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I'm all for discipline in schools... strong discipline... just not physical punishment.
 
Superfreak said:
We should just go around and give kids participation ribbons for showing up... because gosh darn it, they are just the most special little tikes in the world... who needs rules and discipline.
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It's important to instill fear in a child so that they know their place. This makes for a better, more compliant workforce as well.
 
All I can say is that if you have to hit a child, you've already lost. I personally would never strike a child or an animal, and I was never struck. I turned out pretty good. And my parents managed to convey their great and abiding love for me without ever proving it by beating me senseless!
 
Darla said:
All I can say is that if you have to hit a child, you've already lost. I personally would never strike a child or an animal, and I was never struck. I turned out pretty good. And my parents managed to convey their great and abiding love for me without ever proving it by beating me senseless!
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They didn't have to raise me....or Super Freak...or Damo!!
 
I have to admit that my father floored me once with an over hand right when I was 17......than floored me again when I was stupid enough to get back up...but I can't blame him. I pretty much deserved it.
 
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