Mueller's investigation of Trump is going too far (CNN)

aloysious said:
Trump really effed up firing Comey, IMO. At least he had a record of wrapping things up relatively quickly. Relative to Mueller anyway.
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agree. Trump can be his own worst enemy
although he's had to put up with so much bogus Deep State crap that he never should have had to.
 
aloysious said:
Trump really effed up firing Comey, IMO. At least he had a record of wrapping things up relatively quickly. Relative to Mueller anyway.
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It looks like a bad decision in retrospect because it led to Comey leaking in order to get a Superfluous Prosecutor appointed. Which as luck would have it, is Comey's BFF, Mueller.

But at the time, Trump had good reason to fire Comey---if for no other reason that Comey wouldn't say in public what he was telling Trump. Also, Rosenstein wrote a letter recommending Comey's termination.

But that's all water under the bridge.

If Mueller does the right thing, he will stick to his mandate. If he goes beyond it and pins some peripheral charge on Trump that's unrelated to Russia and Trump is removed from office on account of it, then things could get ugly.
 
Darth Omar said:
It looks like a bad decision in retrospect because it led to Comey leaking in order to get a Superfluous Prosecutor appointed. Which as luck would have it, is Comey's BFF, Mueller.

But at the time, Trump had good reason to fire Comey---if for no other reason that Comey wouldn't say in public what he was telling Trump. Also, Rosenstein wrote a letter recommending Comey's termination.

But that's all water under the bridge.

If Mueller does the right thing, he will stick to his mandate. If he goes beyond it and pins some peripheral charge on Trump that's unrelated to Russia and Trump is removed from office on account of it, then things could get ugly.
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Yes that would be very unfair.
 
Nomad said:
Gawd DAMN you are thick headed!!!! :whoa:

The GROUNDS for investigation are the EVIDENCE he's working off of and until the investigation is COMPLETED and his REPORT issued and made public, NOBODY OUTSIDE THE INVESTIGATION KNOWS WHAT HIS GROUNDS ARE.

You cannot be as fucking BRAINLESS as you seem to be!!!!! :palm:
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Look you stupid fuck. I'm not the one trying to compare Mueller with Starr. You're speaking as if they both had equal grounds for investigation.

Obviously you have some kind of inside track on information, so please, enlighten us. ;)
 
Granule said:
Look you stupid fuck. I'm not the one trying to compare Mueller with Starr. You're speaking as if they both had equal grounds for investigation.

Obviously you have some kind of inside track on information, so please, enlighten us. ;)
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Idiot!!!!

YOU are the one who's saying that you know shit that you don't, you childish immature dipshit!!!!

As far as you or anyone else knows, Mueller not only has equal grounds for investigating as Starr did, he might have more.

I believe he probably does and I don't give a fuck what you believe.

Moron.
 
Nomad said:
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Idiot!!!!

YOU are the one who's saying that you know shit that you don't, you childish immature dipshit!!!!

As far as you or anyone else knows, Mueller not only has equal grounds for investigating as Starr did, he might have more.

I believe he probably does and I don't give a fuck what you believe.

Moron.
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I understand your frustration with the election results lol.

What I don't get is the optimism regarding Mueller's findings. If Trump was colluding with the Russians, the IC would have been aware of it under Obama. The unmasking of Trump's people, under Obama, means the IC had complete access to their communications---Fourth Amendment be damned.

So, you have this intelligence about Trump colluding with Russians laying around---yet not a soul leaked it to WashPo or the NYT?

Really?
 
Darth Omar said:
I understand your frustration with the election results lol.

What I don't get is the optimism regarding Mueller's findings. If Trump was colluding with the Russians, the IC would have been aware of it under Obama. The unmasking of Trump's people, under Obama, means the IC had complete access to their communications---Fourth Amendment be damned.

So, you have this intelligence about Trump colluding with Russians laying around---yet not a soul leaked it to WashPo or the NYT?

Really?
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Conjecture and speculation.

All for the purpose of convincing yourself everything is going to be fine and your low-class orange idol will fulfill his empty campaign slogan to #MAGA, and soon the world will be a big, happy wingnut heaven.

I think your orange idiot hero is going down one way or the other.

I think there's some ugly shit in his past that Mueller is going to find because the stink is so bad all he has to do is follow his nose right to it.

But please feel free to convince yourself otherwise.

The harder it blind sides you, the funnier it will be for me.
 
Nomad said:
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Idiot!!!!

YOU are the one who's saying that you know shit that you don't, you childish immature dipshit!!!!

As far as you or anyone else knows, Mueller not only has equal grounds for investigating as Starr did, he might have more.

I believe he probably does and I don't give a fuck what you believe.

Moron.
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Sorry fuckface. I'm not the prancing faggot making Mueller/Starr comparisons. lol

Truth is, you don't have clue one. You're talking out of your ass. ;)
 
Granule said:
Sorry fuckface. I'm not the prancing faggot making Mueller/Starr comparisons. lol

Truth is, you don't have clue one. You're talking out of your ass. ;)
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No, you're the prancing faggot insinuating that you know what the grounds are, or more accurately, are NOT, for Mueller's investigation when we all know that you have no idea what his grounds are. They may have unimaginable shit on Trump that hasn't been leaker or released yet.

But on the face of it, those who are crying butthurt about Mueller going too far never said shit about Starr's investigation swerving away from Whitewater to Monica Lewinski, a matter that was tied to an unrelated civil lawsuit that was being funded and encouraged by right-wing special interests.

As for who's talking out of their ass.... you should bend over and back up to a mirror if you want to see who's doing that. :mun:

Fuckface.
 
Rune said:
cry harder
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Nothing to cry about, I don't really care one way or another. I think the unfairness would cause a serious backlash though.
But it will never come to that. There'd need to be a dim house to impeach and if that were to happen there'd have to be a dim senate to convict.
Personally I think Mueller's strategy is to drag the investigation out until the off chance there is a majority dem house and senate. He knows that's the only way he'll get a conviction. The investigation may go on for another six and a half yrs. and if there's still no dim majority in both chambers he'll probably end it at that time.
 
aloysious said:
Nothing to cry about, I don't really care one way or another. I think the unfairness would cause a serious backlash though.
But it will never come to that. There'd need to be a dim house to impeach and if that were to happen there'd have to be a dim senate to convict.
Personally I think Mueller's strategy is to drag the investigation out until the off chance there is a majority dem house and senate. He knows that's the only way he'll get a conviction. The investigation may go on for another six and a half yrs. and if there's still no dim majority in both chambers he'll probably end it at that time.
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Or maybe he's not paying attention to anything other than the evidence and going where it leads him.

And maybe he'll uncover some things that are serious and egregious enough that even the hyper partisan right-wing house can't sweep under the rug.

Who knows?

Certainly not you.

Sounds like you're just engaging in a lot of wishful thinking.
 
aloysious said:
Nothing to cry about, I don't really care one way or another. I think the unfairness would cause a serious backlash though.
But it will never come to that. There'd need to be a dim house to impeach and if that were to happen there'd have to be a dim senate to convict.
Personally I think Mueller's strategy is to drag the investigation out until the off chance there is a majority dem house and senate. He knows that's the only way he'll get a conviction. The investigation may go on for another six and a half yrs. and if there's still no dim majority in both chambers he'll probably end it at that time.
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There's a theory that Mueller sees the whole thing as weak Tea: so he is purposely putting his finger on the scales so when he exonerates Trump, democrats won't be able say much about it.

That won't work lol. They'll still whine.

But the unfairness has been recognized by even some respected Never Trump Rumpers. So any indictment that doesn't rest on rock solid evidence---or doesn't relate directly to Russia and the election is going to cause a political blow back.

Say for example Mueller uncovers a Trump crooked real estate deal from 2007. Impeachment is predicated on high crimes and misdemeanors *while in office* so democrats may wind up shooting themselves in the foot, politically, if they try and use that to get him out of office.

But I think they are past caring about politics or blow back. They want rid of Trump and they want to put down his movement, regardless of the political cost.
 
Nomad said:
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Idiot!!!!

YOU are the one who's saying that you know shit that you don't, you childish immature dipshit!!!!

As far as you or anyone else knows, Mueller not only has equal grounds for investigating as Starr did, he might have more.

I believe he probably does and I don't give a fuck what you believe.

Moron.
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OMAR, he's lost it and resorted to name calling again, you win man, let it go
Nomad is the atypical liberal whiny baby that needs a hug
He'll be fine in year or so
 
Darth Omar said:
There's a theory that Mueller sees the whole thing as weak Tea: so he is purposely putting his finger on the scales so when he exonerates Trump, democrats won't be able say much about it.

That won't work lol. They'll still whine.

But the unfairness has been recognized by even some respected Never Trump Rumpers. So any indictment that doesn't rest on rock solid evidence---or doesn't relate directly to Russia and the election is going to cause a political blow back.

Say for example Mueller uncovers a Trump crooked real estate deal from 2007. Impeachment is predicated on high crimes and misdemeanors *while in office* so democrats may wind up shooting themselves in the foot, politically, if they try and use that to get him out of office.

But I think they are past caring about politics or blow back. They want rid of Trump and they want to put down his movement, regardless of the political cost.
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What if they uncover a crooked real estate deal from 2012 or 2014 upon which the Statute of Limitations has not run out and we find ourselves with an unconvicted criminal as our sitting President?

One can imagine the negative publicity that would generate not only for him personally, but for the GOP if they just shrugged their shoulders and did nothing. Given that his current approval rating stands at an abysmal 33%, it's no stretch of the imagination to assume that it would be somewhere south of 30% after such a revelation.

So what does a Republican House majority do then? Ignore it? Cross their fingers and pray that there are as many gullible idiots voting in the next election as in the last one?

It could get very interesting.
 
Darth Omar said:
There's a theory that Mueller sees the whole thing as weak Tea: so he is purposely putting his finger on the scales so when he exonerates Trump, democrats won't be able say much about it.

That won't work lol. They'll still whine.

But the unfairness has been recognized by even some respected Never Trump Rumpers. So any indictment that doesn't rest on rock solid evidence---or doesn't relate directly to Russia and the election is going to cause a political blow back.

Say for example Mueller uncovers a Trump crooked real estate deal from 2007. Impeachment is predicated on high crimes and misdemeanors *while in office* so democrats may wind up shooting themselves in the foot, politically, if they try and use that to get him out of office.

But I think they are past caring about politics or blow back. They want rid of Trump and they want to put down his movement, regardless of the political cost.
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I like this theory. However the base assumption is that Mueller isn't a political animal. Not so sure of that for any careerist.
 
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