MOTHER of all CARAVANS - Poor & Uneducated WHITES ... mass to invade U.S.A.

[RB 60]

I call bullshit on you "owning and running a farm".

I think you're making it up for the benefit of your shitty argument and beliefs.

I think you're just some unemployed Conservative loser whose life didn't turn out the way you had been promised by all the people you voted for the last 40 or so years.

You're a fraud and I see right through this weak fuckin' act of yours.

I never said I owned one, but I have worked on one as well as an orchard and know what it takes.

Yes, I'm unemployed (although I may take a part time job come summer/fall). I'm retired at 58. My life did turn out pretty well.
Hard work, intelligent investments, good financial planning and advice did well for me. Sucks to be you, doesn't it?

 

[Oneuli]

It's because young people today are lazy.

Every generation has claimed that about the next. However, when you look for more than just personal anecdotes to back that, the support is lacking.

You constantly hide behind the lie that we
Americans won't work those jobs.

Try to find any instance of me saying Americans won't work those jobs. Then, when you fail, come back and apologize for libeling me.

Tell us, do you live here in the rural areas and farmlands, or are you projecting your ignorance
from the 34th floor....

I don't work in rural areas or farmlands. But suggesting that makes me ignorant is as imbecilic and elitist as if I were to say that someone who doesn't live on the 34th must necessarily be ignorant.

you only want them for Dem votes.

No. As anyone with even an elementary level of political knowledge would know, if I were focused on Democratic votes, I'd be ANTI-immigration. Higher levels of immigration trigger the xenophobia of nativist snowflakes, and serve as an advantage for right-wing politicians. The period when the Democratic party was most dominant in the last century was from the mid-1930s through the late 1960s, which was a period with markedly lower immigration than normal. When the racists and other assorted bigots weren't being triggered by the fear of lots of immigrants, they weren't as responsive to wingnut politicians' efforts to demonize the welfare state as today, when those same racists can be made to think of government assistance as a handout to brown people who can't be bothered to learn English. Any sane understanding of political science would tell a person that the way to bolster the Democratic Party would be to return to the low-immigration policies that set off the Democratic golden age. So, it's kind of hilarious that the right-wing Know Nothings imagine that the opposite is true. Is there anything they don't get 100% wrong?

 

[Earl]

Legal immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration which is...ILLEGAL!

 

[TOP]

I'd like for anyone to explain where all these people are going to go and how they will survive....Especially since the US has resolved the homeless problems for our own... (Eleven hundred arrested last night in Rio Grande...)

 

[RB 60]

i;2969787]

Every generation has claimed that about the next. However, when you look for more than just personal anecdotes to back that, the support is lacking.

And you do/did any hiring lately? Many young people want easy jobs so they can play with their cellphones, others expect to start at the top.

Try to find any instance of me saying Americans won't work those jobs. Then, when you fail, come back and apologize for libeling me.

You say that this country needs immigrants to work jobs that Americans won't. I live in the country, Americans do those jobs.

I don't work in rural areas or farmlands. But suggesting that makes me ignorant is as imbecilic and elitist as if I were to say that someone who doesn't live on the 34th must necessarily be ignorant.

No, you don't. Saying you aren't ignorant to someone who does work here is imbecilic because you don't know.

No. As anyone with even an elementary level of political knowledge would know, if I were focused on Democratic votes, I'd be ANTI-immigration. Higher levels of immigration trigger the xenophobia of nativist snowflakes, and serve as an advantage for right-wing politicians. The period when the Democratic party was most dominant in the last century was from the mid-1930s through the late 1960s, which was a period with markedly lower immigration than normal. When the racists and other assorted bigots weren't being triggered by the fear of lots of immigrants, they weren't as responsive to wingnut politicians' efforts to demonize the welfare state as today, when those same racists can be made to think of government assistance as a handout to brown people who can't be bothered to learn English. Any sane understanding of political science would tell a person that the way to bolster the Democratic Party would be to return to the low-immigration policies that set off the Democratic golden age. So, it's kind of hilarious that the right-wing Know Nothings imagine that the opposite is true. Is there anything they don't get 100% wrong?

Bullshit. You wouldn't want these invaders for any other reason than votes. Why else would you want them here? They drain our resources and for what? Votes.

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[RB 60]

Legal immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration which is...ILLEGAL!

They don't understand there's a difference between legal and illegal. Apparently, they just don't care.

 

[TOP]

They don't understand there's a difference between legal and illegal. Apparently, they just don't care.

It won't matter until one day they're personally affected by an illegal....then stuff will hit the fan....

 

[countryboy]

Hello? Is this the Klan meeting thread or is that down the hall?

Visit your local Democrat Party headquarters.

 

[countryboy]

It's very good news if a large number of immigrants want to move here. We need them. Specifically, we need a lot of lower-skill people in their teens and twenties to come here and balance our demographic mix, and to drive down costs for the kinds of physical work that aging Boomers are going to need more and more help with (for example, simple home healthcare services). It's exciting that we've got a lot of people who fit that description heading our way. Now it's just a matter of properly funding our immigration services to be able to vet them rapidly and help them transition to a new life here.... and we need some quick overhauls to our laws, so that they have legal status as guest workers, with a reasonable path to citizenship.

They are free to apply for citizenship, and/or asylum from their home countries. Illegal entry will not be tolerated.

 

[Oneuli]

And you do/did any hiring lately?

No. However, if I did, wouldn't I be extremely foolish to imagine that my own personal experience must be indicative of a broader reality, given the extremely low sample size and narrow scope?
I mean, wouldn't I be more likely just measuring the realities of my geographic area, my industry, or just the luck of the draw? Wouldn't it be wiser to look for broader indices, like productivity numbers, educational accomplishments, etc. -- something measurable that could be quantified and compared in a consistent way across a population?

You say that this country needs immigrants to work jobs that Americans won't.

Again, try to find any instance of me saying that. Then, when you fail, return and apologize for libeling me.

Saying you aren't ignorant to someone who does work here is imbecilic because you don't know.

What's happening here is that you've assigned a position to pretend I took (saying that Americans wouldn't do that work), and now you're faulting me for not having had the personal experience you have that, you think, debunks that position that you've assigned to me. I'm not really needed in this thread at all, if you're going to script both sides of the argument, am I?

You wouldn't want these invaders for any other reason than votes.

Again, the historical reality is that Democrats got a larger share of votes when immigration levels were lower. So why would I imagine that raising immigration levels would get them more votes?
A person would have to be as ignorant of history as a conservative to expect that.

Why else would you want them here?

I already explained it in the first post I made in this thread. Did you not read it?

 

[Oneuli]

They are free to apply for citizenship, and/or asylum from their home countries. Illegal entry will not be tolerated.

As you probably have heard, waits to come here legally, even for those with some family connections to American citizens, can be twenty years or more. Understandably, people faced with that often just come here without first getting the required documentation. What I'm calling for is swinging the door open much wider for legal immigrants, so that those who want to come here can be vetted swiftly and then admitted. We need them desperately, so we're foolish to try to keep them out.

 

[countryboy]

As you probably have heard, waits to come here legally, even for those with some family connections to American citizens, can be twenty years or more. Understandably, people faced with that often just come here without first getting the required documentation. What I'm calling for is swinging the door open much wider for legal immigrants, so that those who want to come here can be vetted swiftly and then admitted. We need them desperately, so we're foolish to try to keep them out.

What is the Democrat congress doing in this regard? Oh, that's right, they don't have time for anything other than persecution of Trump associates and Fox News. Do you think that is going to help them in 2020? You people are in for another rude awakening. Leftist loons never learn.

You realize you're not fooling anyone with this bullshit, right?

 

[Oneuli]

What is the Democrat congress doing in this regard?

The Democrats have a majority in only one House of Congress, and nowhere close to a veto-proof majority. There's nothing they can do, practically speaking, to expand immigration, at least until the next election.

Do you think that is going to help them in 2020?

It sure did in 2018.... they won the popular vote in the House and the Senate, by significant margins. For that matter, they won the popular vote for the presidency in 2016. However, with the way the field is tilted severely to the Republicans, it's hard to say whether merely taking smart positions on political matters and winning the support of the American people will be enough to help the Democrats in any given election. They've shown again and again that you can be the choice of the people and yet power can still go to the Republicans.

 

[TOP]

As you probably have heard, waits to come here legally, even for those with some family connections to American citizens, can be twenty years or more. Understandably, people faced with that often just come here without first getting the required documentation. What I'm calling for is swinging the door open much wider for legal immigrants, so that those who want to come here can be vetted swiftly and then admitted. We need them desperately, so we're foolish to try to keep them out.

What's the "swinging door" you're calling for? Will that include proof that they'll be able to get settled/survive independently until they find those who desperately need them? *

 

[Oneuli]

What's the "swinging door" you're calling for? Will that include proof that they'll be able to get settled/survive independently until they find those who desperately need them? *

I'd like to have a system that checks them for criminal connections and health. I would also provide some bridge funds to help settle them and get them up-to-speed when they first come in (e.g., some language and cultural adaptation classes, and maybe some basic work skills). We need them enough that I'm not worried about their medium- and long-term prospects, but a little up-front money invested into their integration will help minimize the time until they're contributing positively.

 

[TOP]

I'd like to have a system that checks them for criminal connections and health. I would also provide some bridge funds to help settle them and get them up-to-speed when they first come in (e.g., some language and cultural adaptation classes, and maybe some basic work skills). We need them enough that I'm not worried about their medium- and long-term prospects, but a little up-front money invested into their integration will help minimize the time until they're contributing positively.

...that's not enough....and even if it was, how are you going to do that? Fund that....
New York's etc. homeless pop under control? Why not focus on who's here and in need....?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

That's exactly what I'm calling for. They want to come here. We need them badly. So revise the laws as fast as we can so that they can come here legally without delay.



Unfortunately, the trash looking for handouts are, for the most part, red state American citizens, and legally speaking we can't just close the border to them.

So you are saying that if a state flips from red to blue the citizens of that state automatically become smarter, better educated, productive, and richer!!!!! You really are a brain dead leftist child. Some day you will hopefully grow up.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I want them to help support the nation. We have far too few younger workers to support the Baby Boom generation in its dotage. Immigrants can fix that. If you want to put constraints on guest-worker welfare eligibility, to address your worry that someone might be getting away with something, fine. But we need those workers and we need them now.

Then you should have no problem requiring immigrants to meet the same requirements as Mexico does!

" in Mexico, the law stipulates that you need to demonstrate an income per month over the past six months derived from foreign sources (e.g. pension, investments) of at least 300 days’ worth of minimum wage (approximately US$1,620*) or have a savings balance equivalent to at least 5,000 days’ worth of minimum wage (approximately US$27,000*) over the past 12 months. If you intend to apply for permanent residency you will need to demonstrate an income per month over the past six months of at least least 500 days’ worth of minimum wage (approximately US$2,700*) or have savings equivalent amounting to 20,000 days’ worth of minimum wage (approximately US$108,000*) over the past 12 months.
Married couples: If you’re applying for residency as a married couple, to qualify financially you will need to demonstrate income or a savings balance in the amounts above plus an additional 100 days minimum wage (approximately US$540*) for the dependent spouse."

 

[RB 60]

As you probably have heard, waits to come here legally, even for those with some family connections to American citizens, can be twenty years or more. Understandably, people faced with that often just come here without first getting the required documentation. What I'm calling for is swinging the door open much wider for legal immigrants, so that those who want to come here can be vetted swiftly and then admitted. We need them desperately, so we're foolish to try to keep them out.

Why do you want "swinging the door open much wider"? Many will just go on welfare, and again, drain our resources.
There should be NO ASYLUM WHATSOEVER because it is unfair to those who go through the legal process to become citizens.
Why do we need them "desperately"? Again, to drain our resources? Face it, it's for Dem votes and nothing more.
Our country is a great place, but why must liberals want to allow so many illegals? Do they hate our traditions and
customs to the point of removing them like the monuments, Christmas manger scenes, etc? Screw 'em. Send them
home or to the back of the list of those who want to come here legally. Build the damn wall NOW!

 

[RB 60]

I'd like to have a system that checks them for criminal connections and health. I would also provide some bridge funds to help settle them and get them up-to-speed when they first come in (e.g., some language and cultural adaptation classes, and maybe some basic work skills). We need them enough that I'm not worried about their medium- and long-term prospects, but a little up-front money invested into their integration will help minimize the time until they're contributing positively.

Maybe you should pay for it. I'm tired of it.