Most Gazans didn't support Hamas attacking

martin said:
Right, and maybe emotion accounts for what happened and maybe it doesn't but only describes an emotional state that provided a desire for the planning and organization for what happened, including preparation for the certain blow back, but also a tactical reason for the attack.
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It's cultural. The Palestinians in Gaza have become a suicide cult. They only live to kill or support killing Jews.

From December 2001. What has changed since then?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/dec/16/israel
Where suicide is a cult
Kevin Toolis visits the homes of the Hamas suicide bombers and learns from their relatives what drives quiet young men to such a desperate end
....How can anyone become a suicide bomber? How can you hate an enemy so much you would gladly die killing them?

To try to answer these questions I went to Nabil's village with a Channel 4 News team. The villagers were insistent that Nabil and Osama were not suicide bombers but shaheed - blessed martyrs - who now lived with the prophets in paradise. They were heroes whose 'martyrdom poster' is now plastered over the village's walls and the sports club where both young men spent spare hours playing football or practising karate....

...In life most suicide bombers are nobodies, but in death they rise and become shaheed, and their families rise with them. Each martyr's family receives an official certificate of martyrdom from the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, and a prize of $10,000.
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Why do you think Biden supports Israel if they are as bad as you say?

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Uncensored2008 said:
Of course you're lying.

There was overwhelming support for the Iraq war.

Including from Hillary Clinton and the majority of democrats.
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Of course you're clueless and narrowly-focused on the US.

"Beginning in late 2002 and continuing after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, large-scale protests against the Iraq War were held in many cities worldwide, often coordinated to occur simultaneously around the world. After the biggest series of demonstrations, on February 15, 2003, New York Times writer Patrick Tyler claimed that they showed that there were two superpowers on the planet: the United States and worldwide public opinion."[SUP][2][/SUP]
 
Doc Dutch said:
It's cultural. The Palestinians in Gaza have become a suicide cult. They only live to kill or support killing Jews.

From December 2001. What has changed since then?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/dec/16/israel
Where suicide is a cult
Kevin Toolis visits the homes of the Hamas suicide bombers and learns from their relatives what drives quiet young men to such a desperate end

Why do you think Biden supports Israel if they are as bad as you say?

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Where did I say Israel is "bad". The only qualification I've suggested about your reading of the event is that it's simplistic. Doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.
 
ExpressLane said:
You are SUCK and tired???? :laugh: Did you not see the video of school age kids professing their murderous hate for the Jews? I believe some of them said they learned it from school.

Whoever posted that video here should post it again.
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SIr, you are blaming children!

The blame is on the PLA!

This is why the PLA need to be taken out of power!

The people of the Palestine are not able to do this.

So the Israelis are!

Next!
 
Lionfish said:
Then don't attempt to incorrectly decypher my post.

"Elections haven’t been held in Gaza since 2006, but polling from March 2023 found that 45% of Gazans would back Hamas should there be a vote, ahead of Fatah at 32%."
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Polls are supposed to be statistically representative of the whole voting population.

45 percent of the voting population is a plurality, not a majority.

The majority of Gazans polled (55 percent) did not support Hamas.


Attempting to divert the thread to Biden does not change the fact you didn't understand the rudimentary definitions of majority and plurality.
 
martin said:
Where did I say Israel is "bad".

The only qualification I've suggested about your reading of the event is that it's simplistic. Doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.
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Sorry. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your line of questioning.

The situation is, indeed, simple. It's the solution that's complicated. So complicated that no one has the answer. It doesn't help when outside forces support terrorism and atrocities.
 
domer76 said:
LOL

I just did mail in my ballot. With signature that they will check against the one on file. Works great.

Biden landslide most secure in history. All the investigations, counts, recounts, audits, lawsuits prove it.
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How are you sure they actually checked it.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Sorry. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your line of questioning.

The situation is, indeed, simple. It's the solution that's complicated. So complicated that no one has the answer. It doesn't help when outside forces support terrorism and atrocities.
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Maybe not as simple as you think. Did you see the NYTimes piece that came out earlier today, partially quoted and linked in a thread above?
 
Cypress said:
Polls are supposed to be statistically representative of the whole voting population.

45 percent of the voting population is a plurality, not a majority.

The majority of Gazans polled (55 percent) did not support Hamas.


Attempting to divert the thread to Biden does not change the fact you didn't understand the rudimentary definitions of majority and plurality.
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Where does it say voters in my post?
 
dumber76 said:
Right. They built the fence around their ghetto. They blocked the exits. They initiated the air and sea blockade, as well.
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None of the Arab countries want the Palestinians they can't even get along with themselves. They live in a ghetto because they make it a ghetto. Billions have been given to them over the years but they have squandered it on war. If they focused on improving the Gaza strip instead of attacking Israel their lives would be much better. Hamas leaders have made themselves wealthy and live in luxury in other countries . Those leaders source of power and wealth is to continue the strife.
 
martin said:
Maybe not as simple as you think. Did you see the NYTimes piece that came out earlier today, partially quoted and linked in a thread above?
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Hate and war are very simple. It's why the simple-minded like it so much.

Only the one I quoted. Yours is behind a paywall, but I understand how Iran has been sponsoring terrorism in Lebanon, Gaza and elsewhere for decades. A great book about Iran and their mindset is Robert Baer's "The Devil We Know". What fascinates me most about Iran is that their citizenry is moderate and pro-Western but their leadership are religious fanatics.

2008
https://www.npr.org/2008/10/02/95285396/ex-cia-operative-discusses-the-devil-we-know
Ex-CIA Operative Discusses 'The Devil We Know'

Baer doesn't think it's possible to rescue the hostages. I agree. These people are fanatics and look forward to being martyred: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/08/exp-bob-baer-sot-fst-100802aseg1.cnn


martin said:
The NY Times is now out with this story - a plan for a multi state take down of Israel:

"Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, held an hourslong online meeting in March with an elite group of strategists from all the Iran-backed militias and told them to get ready for a war with Israel with a scope and reach — including a ground invasion — that would mark a new era, according to two participants from Iran and Syria. The participants spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the meeting.

There are conflicting accounts of whether these activities were leading specifically toward last week’s attack by Hamas, which left 1,200 Israelis dead and shattered the country’s sense of security.

Some people familiar with the operation said that a tight circle of leaders from Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas helped plan the attack starting over a year ago, trained militants and had advanced knowledge of it. That account is based on interviews with three Iranians affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards, one Iranian connected to senior leadership and a Syrian affiliated with Hezbollah."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html
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