Most Gazans didn't support Hamas attacking

[Earl]

JDCA is pro-Israel, Soifer says, but she turns around questions about Democrats and Israel to focus instead on the other party.

She won't answer those uncomfortable questions about the Democrats in the US Congress who support Hamas.

Israel warns the residents of Gaza when they start bombing.,..they tell them to leave.

Hamas sneaks into Israeli homes where grandmothers and grandfathers and small infants live and behead them...even the infants.

Hamas will use the American and Israeli hostages as human shields...even the infants.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Every society has their built in propaganda.

Now, the Gazans have lived in an outdoor prison for many years. A ghetto controlled completely by Israel. No way out except through closed borders. Can’t even get proper medical treatment. So, try to look at yourself in similar conditions. Nothing but love for the oppressor, huh?

If that were true then why did Gazans elect Hamas? How did Hamas train and collect weapons for up to two years to prepare for this massacre?

The fact remains Islamic radicals have sought to murder Jews since 1948. Not a single President has ever been able to establish a lasting peace in the region.

The Two-State Solution is a fantasy since it was the very first plan offered, and both the Palestinians and their Arab allies refused it.

https://archive.nytimes.com/learnin...ns-palestine-allowing-for-creation-of-israel/
Nov. 29, 1947 | U.N. Partitions Palestine, Allowing for Creation of Israel
On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews, allowing for the formation of the Jewish state of Israel.

Since 1917, Palestine had been under the control of Britain, which supported the creation of a Jewish state in the holy land. Sympathy for the Jewish cause grew during the genocide of European Jews during the Holocaust. In 1946, the Palestine issue was brought before the newly created United Nations, which drafted a partition plan.

 

[martin]

Agreed.

Mentally ill people commit suicide-by-cop. In Gaza, it's a mentally ill culture. A suicide cult.

It looks that way. The breaking point reached after 75 years. Haven't seen this raised in the press. If it's not being raised, why isn't it?

 

[ExpressLane]

Indeed.

Why is Biden now building the wall when he said, "not one foot of wall will be built while I am in the White House?"

If the border is closed, why build a wall?

Why did Biden have to follow Trump's plan to withdraw from Afghanistan but not to build a wall?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

That is why we do not have them.

stop lying.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Why did Biden have to follow Trump's plan to withdraw from Afghanistan but not to build a wall?

biden recognized an opportunity to arm terrorists and still blame trump.

 

[ExpressLane]

So there hasn't been a vote since 2006, and your own poll shows less than half of Gazans support Hamas.

But MAGA still runs around hollering for collective punishment



Ps, I think voting for Hamas is an asshole thing to do. But I don't believe in collective punishment

Israel is poing to remove the Palestinian Hamas overlords. Israel is doing them a favor. Israel does not believe in collective punishment and that is EXACTLY why they have told them to get out of the way.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.

They didn't do anything to prevent it, either.

 

[ExpressLane]

stop lying.

That is like telling Norberg to stop breathing.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.

I wonder why the impotent pEarl with his impotent groans finds the fact that Hamas has minority support among the Arab people so repellent? Like all black and white "thinkers," apparently he prefers his enemies to be 100% evil, including little kids, babies, the elderly, and other noncombatants.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

They didn't do anything to prevent it, either.

Well, neither did we when W invaded Iraq.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It looks that way. The breaking point reached after 75 years. Haven't seen this raised in the press. If it's not being raised, why isn't it?

Raised in what way? AFAIK, all civilized countries are condemning the massacre.

 

[ExpressLane]

Why would anyone in Gaza support what Hamas did in slaughtering Israeli women and children, beheading babies? The raid made no sense at all. Which raises the question why did they do it when the hell they could expect in return would be a hundred times
more terrible? It was a planned attack.

There is something we're missing.

I think the people that planned it sit in plush air conditioned offices in other countries and the terrorist on the ground had no idea of how big and how successful it would be.

 

[volsrock]

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.

All members of Hamas are Gazans

 

[ExpressLane]

What %?

The majority.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Well, neither did we when W invaded Iraq.

Excellent point.

All I have going in my own defense is a lifetime of ballots in a straight blue line.
I've lived my entire life taking sides because that's my nature.

 

[martin]

Raised in what way? AFAIK, all civilized countries are condemning the massacre.

Raised the question - Why the fuck did Hamas do it? To say, "well, they hate Israelis" won't do. They've always hated Israelis. Their self identity for 75 years has been about hatred of Israelis. "Condemning the massacre" is not understanding it. I don't know who else is puzzled by it, but I am.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.

Not an expert, but it appears they have a parliamentary style government with Hamas controlling most of the seats thus putting them in charge.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Raised the question - Why the fuck did Hamas do it? To say, "well, they hate Israelis" won't do. They've always hated Israelis. Their self identity is about hated of Israelis. "Condemning the massacre" is not understanding it. I don't know who else is puzzled by it, but I am.

Exactly. There's no mystery here.

If you can understand hate, then you fully understand 1/6, Trumpism, White Supremacy, and all the bigotry in the US.

 

[Lionfish]

So there hasn't been a vote since 2006, and your own poll shows less than half of Gazans support Hamas.

But MAGA still runs around hollering for collective punishment



Ps, I think voting for Hamas is an asshole thing to do. But I don't believe in collective punishment

Perhaps you missed, "Elections haven’t been held in Gaza since 2006, but polling from March 2023 found that 45% of Gazans would back Hamas should there be a vote, ahead of Fatah at 32%."