Most and least educated states in the U.S.

[Saudade]

I will agree that measures of IQ are only one facet of intelligence...and not an especially good one.

There are biases...and the vast majority of IQ tests were devised by white...AMERICAN white men. Not sure of why Asians (East Asians and Far East Asians) score better than most, but I have worked with MANY Asians...and they are ultra adamant that their kids study hard. I suspect most of them are studying material that is considered important by the people who devised the tests.

Yet this thread is a good example of liberals conflating education with IQ. When they are called out on it, then they downplay IQ. How odd.

Nonetheless, the IQ studies I referenced earlier are global in nature. Some of the tests are made by Americans, but there are plenty of other tests made in other parts of the world that have been used in these studies, and East Asians consistently do well in all of them. Culture probably does play a part, but there seems to be more at play. When looking at different types of intelligence, East Asians are often the best at abstract intelligence. That would be an advantage regarding IQ tests. Other groups excel at other forms of intelligence. Jews, for example, tend to be exceptionally good at verbal intelligence.

I am NOT making fun of anyone here. I am offering comments.

All I can do is guess...but my guess would be if a major asteroid strike occurred, "naturalistic intelligence of rural whites" would come in a very poor second place to street smart urban blacks.

That would depend on the area you're in during an apocalypse. Also, in the long run, cities would be more vulnerable to food shortages. It's only through the conveniences of modern transport and supply chains that so many people can be fed in a small area. Without these things in place, many urbanites would eventually starve. City folk would be very dependent on farmers.

Terrific. And if a major asteroid strike ensued...they could get jobs as mechanics, electricians and plumbers.

Okay. So...how does that impact on the most and least educated states?

A lot of the focus on which states are most and least educated is on the 4 year system. Much of the time, the stats don't take into account community college or apprenticeship programs. There are also skill sets that aren't typically formal in nature.

With the way that the construction and agricultural industries are changing, we're seeing more and more people learning on the job. That isn't captured by formal education stats. Even many trades have started to lean this way.

 

[katzgar]

Yet a lot of people move there. It's also more racially diverse than a lot of the country. Calling it a shithole kind of goes against that whole "diversity is our strength" mantra.

actually no and I live near Baton Rouge. Educationh sucks, health care sucks, government sucks and roads suck. Texas and Florida are diverse so you are partially correct. https://www.theladders.com/career-a...-most-and-least-diverse-states-in-the-country

 

[katzgar]

Yet a lot of people move there. It's also more racially diverse than a lot of the country. Calling it a shithole kind of goes against that whole "diversity is our strength" mantra.

Louisiana losing population isnt a lot of people moving there is it.

 

[Into the Night]

Among the top five, Massachusetts scored 81.84 points. The Bay State also ranked No. 1 for educational attainment and quality of education, having the highest percentage of bachelor’s and graduate or professional degree holders.

guess which states are the low IQ states

The red jesuland states

The southern state’s educational attainment rank was 35 and it ranked at No. 21 for quality of education.

Colorado scored 71.24, Vermont scored 70.61 and Connecticut scored 70.47. Mississippi came in last place, scoring 21.01 points.

https://www.ajc.com/lifestyles/most...a-fails-crack-the-top/lxCssvrosNb7MT2waoiVSJ/

A rather pointless list. I fails to consider, for example, that higher education is not necessarily better education.

 

[Into the Night]

Education and IQ aren't the same. Also, I don't think you want to go down the IQ road in this discussion. Charles Murray and several others have done research on this, and the results were controversial due to the racial implications.

IQ is a meaningless number.

 

[Into the Night]

We need to invest in education in this country, as in better teachers and teacher pay, newer schools that are tailored to today's jobs and economy?!! It was the least educated that gave us Trump and McConnell and others?!! Remember an under educated society is easy to control and manipulate too!

Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

The best correlation to trump voters is worsening health outcomes. They are the part of America losing life expectancy, and dragging down the average for the rest of us.

The second best correlation is uneducated rural whites. And the third best correlation is uneducated whites. trump has done well with whites with a high school or less education. If you are white and have less than a 9th grade education, you almost certainly voted for trump.

In many ways, trump is a reaction to automation. Uneducated whites who expected to be well paid even though they had no education are shocked that automation is taking their jobs.

Bigotry. Racism.

 

[Into the Night]

Even the ones that aren't in the South, like Ohio and Missouri, ranked poorly. What I saw as the common denominator was the state's government -- is it mostly blue or mostly red? The red ones fared the worst.

Here is the data in table format:

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075/

Bigotry.

 

[TTQ64]

Another excuse for aristocratic rich white libs to bash the Black States.

So the republicans run the Black states? That explains it.

 

[TTQ64]

You didn't mention Vermont, lol.

Juxtapose the "top states" against the bottom states by racial demographics.

There is an undeniable racial component.

Republicans are in charge of the south. So Blaming Blacks for poor education in the south is the result of republic policies.

 

[Into the Night]

You got it wrong.The Trump voters are whites without a degree, some college, and white college graduates.

Bigotry.

The lowest educational levels are 1) Hispanics and 2) blacks. These two groups vote heavily Democratic.

Racism. Bigotry.

And Trump could not win with the rural vote, he had to win the suburbs.

The President is not elected by popular vote.

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These educated Democrats have problems analyzing elections.

Educated or not, they deny elections. They want to destroy the Constitution.

And describing Trump voters as ignorant is why the Democrats have lost the votes of the working class.

Bigotry.

They want to write off the majority of Americans who are white without college degrees.

They are racists and bigots.

And nobody is bringing down your life expectancy just because the average is falling.

True. The biggest reason it's falling is recreational drug use. Stay off drugs, tobacco, and alcohol. You'll live longer.

 

[Into the Night]

So the republicans run the Black states? That explains it.

What is a 'black state'?

 

[Into the Night]

Poorly educated voters hold the keys to the White House
A new paper suggests that voters without degrees are uniquely placed to pick the next president

Graphic detail
Nov 11th 2019
IT WAS IN the 1970s that American politics began to polarise around voters’ levels of educational attainment. The Republican Party, until then a party of tweedy north-easterners, began recruiting less-educated southern whites, alienated by the civil-rights movement. Over time, the partisan gap between college-educated voters and less-educated ones widened. In 2016 it exploded. The Pew Research Centre, a think-tank, found that overall, college graduates favoured Hillary Clinton by 21 percentage points, while those without a degree backed Donald Trump by a seven-point margin. Among whites, the difference is greater: those without a college degree backed Mr Trump over Mrs Clinton by a margin of more than two to one.

How far did this educational divide determine the outcome of the 2016 election? To answer this question, Michael Sances of Temple University collected data on presidential-election results and education levels in each of America’s 3,000-plus counties from 1972 to 2016. Mr Sances finds that the gap in support for Democratic candidates between the highest- and the lowest-educated counties grew significantly between 2012 and 2016, from about 16 percentage points to 28 percentage points (see chart). This disparity has grown especially quickly in midwestern swing states. In Iowa, for example, Hillary Clinton won 66% of the vote in better-educated counties, up from Barack Obama’s 61% share in 2012, but only 27% in less-educated ones, down from 46%.

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According to Mr Sances, this shift in political support was decisive to Mr Trump’s victory in 2016. Had the counties in the bottom 10% of the education distribution stuck to their voting behaviour in 2012, Mrs Clinton would have been tied with Mr Trump in the electoral college. Had the counties in the bottom 20% done so, she would have won. As the 2020 election approaches, Democrats will have to think seriously about how to bring less-educated voters back to their side. The party’s current focus on left-leaning government programmes such as Medicare for All, which tend to be popular with well-educated liberals but poll poorly among blue-collar white voters, are unlikely to tilt the scales back in their favour.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...cated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house

Education is not required to be on the electoral college.

 

[Into the Night]

The "top 4" are places that are 99.9% white. Some residents of Vermont never saw a black person until they traveled South.

Dumb Goon-o, trashing the predominantly black states.

Racism.

 

[TTQ64]

What is a 'black state'?

Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
Another excuse for aristocratic rich white libs to bash the Black States.

Ask Bigdog......he posted it.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Yet this thread is a good example of liberals conflating education with IQ. When they are called out on it, then they downplay IQ. How odd.

What the hell are you babbling about? Why is this addressed to me?

Nonetheless, the IQ studies I referenced earlier are global in nature. Some of the tests are made by Americans, but there are plenty of other tests made in other parts of the world that have been used in these studies, and East Asians consistently do well in all of them. Culture probably does play a part, but there seems to be more at play. When looking at different types of intelligence, East Asians are often the best at abstract intelligence. That would be an advantage regarding IQ tests. Other groups excel at other forms of intelligence. Jews, for example, tend to be exceptionally good at verbal intelligence.

Okay...but what does this have to do with "the most and least educated states?"

That would depend on the area you're in during an apocalypse. Also, in the long run, cities would be more vulnerable to food shortages. It's only through the conveniences of modern transport and supply chains that so many people can be fed in a small area. Without these things in place, many urbanites would eventually starve. City folk would be very dependent on farmers.

Okay. Think that way if you choose. I think otherwise.

A lot of the focus on which states are most and least educated is on the 4 year system. Much of the time, the stats don't take into account community college or apprenticeship programs. There are also skill sets that aren't typically formal in nature.

I'm just going to shake my head...and laugh a sardonic laugh.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but if you ever get around to actually making it, let me know.

With the way that the construction and agricultural industries are changing, we're seeing more and more people learning on the job. That isn't captured by formal education stats. Even many trades have started to lean this way.

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[TTQ64]

What is a 'black state'?

Did you ask bigdog what he meant by Black states?

 

[Bigdog]

So the republicans run the Black states? That explains it.

Explains what?

The White Libs run the inner city ghettos in Blue States ... AND in Red States.

Who is responsible for the wretched free public education in our inner cities and lack of school choice there?

 

[Bigdog]

Did you ask bigdog what he meant by Black states?

 

[Bigdog]

Yet this thread is a good example of liberals conflating education with IQ. When they are called out on it, then they downplay IQ. How odd.

Lots of morons have college degrees. The White Libs ignorance and arrogance are enormous. We see it on this board every minute of every day.