More Indoctrination

Threedee said:
My party has always been the party opposed to obfuscating with class warfare. Lincoln opposed this sort of demogoguery and so does the current GOP. It's one of the reasons why the Democratic Party has been reviled in history.
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I think I need another beer.
 
Threedee said:
You're not denied access to government. You just want to stop other people from spending their money to express their views because they are able to contribute more money to candidates and interest groups. It is not a problem; it is a slogan and a talking point. It is your compensation for not spending the money and nothing else.
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No...I just have an issue with unlimited, anonymous donations with no idea where the money's coming from. How do we know that the oil industry hasn't started a superpac and is collecting money from OPEC nations for candidates who will vote for favorable legislation? How do we know a group of manufacturers with ties to China isn't collecting money from them for the same reason?

It's not trying to "stop people from donating to the candidates of their choice", it's the lack of accountability and transparency.
 
Steelplate said:
No...I just have an issue with unlimited, anonymous donations with no idea where the money's coming from. How do we know that the oil industry hasn't started a superpac and is collecting money from OPEC nations for candidates who will vote for favorable legislation? How do we know a group of manufacturers with ties to China isn't collecting money from them for the same reason?

It's not trying to "stop people from donating to the candidates of their choice", it's the lack of accountability and transparency.
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Well, of course, all of that is illegal, and people have to account where funds come from and go to, so I guess you're asking for something more than a new regulatory law...
 
Threedee said:
Well, of course, all of that is illegal, and people have to account where funds come from and go to, so I guess you're asking for something more than a new regulatory law...
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Yes...it is illegal....but it's unenforceable because superpacs don't have to disclose.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
No, "respecting an establishment" means they cannot give support. Again, you can read Madison, the authors, opinion on the meaning in his "Memorial and Remonstrances on Religious Assessments" where he deals with exactly that topic.
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That was his opinion, at the time, and it's funny how liberals want to refer to what our ancestors meant, when it comes to what they find important; but want to say that what they said about other situations, means something else.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
That was his opinion, at the time, and it's funny how liberals want to refer to what our ancestors meant, when it comes to what they find important; but want to say that what they said about other situations, means something else.
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Really? Is it funnier when someone else tells it?
 
patriot66 said:
The Church dosen't interfere with anyones freedom, but secular humanists like yourself think you should be able to limit Christians in what they can do, and participate in based on a ruling that circumvented the US constitution when taking prayer out of school, no one should have to participate if they do not want to, but that should not limit a Teachers right to freely express their love for God. How is it ok for a basketball player to be celebrated for being a homosexual, but a football player who shows his faith is beat up by the media.
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Perhaps it is backlash for centuries of unofficial rule?

Yes, the church does interfere with people's freedom. Try opening a store that sells sex toys or pagan relgious items and see if the baptists and fundamentalists don't raise a ruckus.

And in this case, there were kids who decided to go to the library instead of the assembly. They were forced to attend the assembly by the truancy officer.

And just as a reminder, no one ever took prayer out of schools. They simply no longer allowed school officials to pay homage to a single faith, excluding all others. Anyone can pray. Or does God not hear your silent prayers? Does he only hear the prayers of those in groups or those making a lot of noise?
 
patriot66 said:
You are full of shiite, I never said anyone should be excluded from the opportunity to share in prayer of their own kind problem is some then yell allah akbar and then blow themselves up. Say what you want but many of the founders were clearly christians and in favor of the abilty to share ones faith, whatever it is, I don't want one religion only.What the h e double toothpick, atheists aren't supposed to believe in anything how are they being harmed, they are not, that is the answer sit back and laugh at us but shut up seriously.
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The assembly listed in the OP was strictly christian. There was no mention of any other faith at all.

And no, I will not sit back and shut up. But yeah, I will laugh at you.
 
patriot66 said:
Scotus ruled, and in so doing broke the law by circumventing the constitution, and limiting the freedom of religious expression based on something that is not in the constitution which means they ruled on something that should never been considered, as far as getting what I want, maybe you should start worrying about our Muslim sympathizing President who will do nothing to stop themfrom purpotrating their crimes against all Governments
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I am all for prosecuting terrorists. The difference between you and I is that you see every muslim as a terrorist, and I do not.
 
WinterBorn said:
Perhaps it is backlash for centuries of unofficial rule?

Yes, the church does interfere with people's freedom. Try opening a store that sells sex toys or pagan relgious items and see if the baptists and fundamentalists don't raise a ruckus.

And in this case, there were kids who decided to go to the library instead of the assembly. They were forced to attend the assembly by the truancy officer.

And just as a reminder, no one ever took prayer out of schools. They simply no longer allowed school officials to pay homage to a single faith, excluding all others. Anyone can pray. Or does God not hear your silent prayers? Does he only hear the prayers of those in groups or those making a lot of noise?
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Thank God we do protest sex stores, however we still can't keep you from opening it, if a teacher wants to lead Christian kids in prayer and others want to pray in their own way i would have no problem with it.
 
WinterBorn said:
The assembly listed in the OP was strictly christian. There was no mention of any other faith at all.

And no, I will not sit back and shut up. But yeah, I will laugh at you.
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Have at it, and if you keep out christian assemblies, keep out planned abortionhood assemblies.
 
Steelplate said:
Because your tax dollars aren't the ONLY tax dollars paying for that school. What makes YOUR tax dollars more important than secularists, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus?

What you want is a Christian School on the Public Dime.
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No just allow me to keep the taxes I pay to the Gobblement and send my kids where I want.
 
patriot66 said:
Thank God we do protest sex stores, however we still can't keep you from opening it, if a teacher wants to lead Christian kids in prayer and others want to pray in their own way i would have no problem with it.
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And if a muslim teacher wants to lead the classroom (kids can't leave) in a prayer? Or if a pagan teacher wants to lead her class in prayers to the Goddess?

Why not let everyone pray in their own way? Why is it you insist that Christians must be allowed to pray as a group, and led by the teacher?
 
patriot66 said:
Have at it, and if you keep out christian assemblies, keep out planned abortionhood assemblies.
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Planned Parenthood is a religious group? Hmmm, have you told them that? I think they are unaware of this.

But yeah, if we can't have religious indoctrination by YOUR religion, I could see why you would demand that we also not have assemblies by an organization that does more free breast cancer screenings than almost anyone else. That makes complete sense.
 
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