More Indoctrination

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Exactly, taxes authorized through legislative acts.

I have only commented on the "separation of church and state" in response to you, douchebag. You can rant and rave all you want, the first amendment DOES imply there should be a separation.
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where exactly, you are full of shiite! no where does it even come close to it. It says the Government shall make no law.
 
patriot66 said:
If you find a way let me know, by trying to control where and when I can witness,
like school, not necessarily for me but my kids.
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Your kids are most certainly allowed to pray and witness in Public Schools....on their own, or with a voluntary group.
.What they aren't allowed to do is proselytize to people who don't want to hear it.

If that's not good enough, send your kids to a private, Christian based school.
 
patriot66 said:
Then rail against them, and leave us who simply want to raise children to be accountable for their actions, and be good citezens, who will contribute to the next generation of takers alone.
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Nobody is trying to prevent you from that. You can't force your religion on children or anyone else and you may not use the state to spread your religion.
 
Steelplate said:
Your kids are most certainly allowed to pray and witness in Public Schools....on their own, or with a voluntary group.
.What they aren't allowed to do is proselytize to people who don't want to hear it.

If that's not good enough, send your kids to a private, Christian based school.
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Why can't they say whatever they want if their rights aren't being infringed upon, Private school? gladly give me the tax dollars I spend to fund public schools.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Nobody is trying to prevent you from that. You can't force your religion on children or anyone else and you may not use the state to spread your religion.
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Why not I pay for the Schools, and pay a levy tax also, so if public Teachers wan't to spread humanist secularism why can't religion be taught?, equal access and all that
 
patriot66 said:
So tell me Einstein who wins if the suit is won by the Parents,the kids nope they won't have a school to attend when the school goes belly up, GENIUS!
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??? Yeah, how many public schools have had to shutdown because of the damages in first amendment cases?
 
patriot66 said:
where exactly, you are full of shiite! no where does it even come close to it. It says the Government shall make no law.
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Umm, in the text of the first amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Which means they can't pass a law stopping the establishment of one or prohibit anyone from participating.
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No, "respecting an establishment" means they cannot give support. Again, you can read Madison, the authors, opinion on the meaning in his "Memorial and Remonstrances on Religious Assessments" where he deals with exactly that topic.
 
patriot66 said:
Why not I pay for the Schools, and pay a levy tax also, so if public Teachers wan't to spread humanist secularism why can't religion be taught?, equal access and all that
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Because your tax dollars aren't the ONLY tax dollars paying for that school. What makes YOUR tax dollars more important than secularists, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus?

What you want is a Christian School on the Public Dime.
 
Steelplate said:
BTW....no where in the Constitution does it say "money=speech" either.

But you guys don't have a problem with that one, do you?
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It also doesn't say that artistic expression, symbols, attire, and a range of other forms of speech = speech. But, since they are nevertheless all forms of speech... Or can we now ban sign language since it isn't verbalized?
 
Threedee said:
It also doesn't say that artistic expression, symbols, attire, and a range of other forms of speech = speech. But, since they are nevertheless all forms of speech... Or can we now ban sign language since it isn't verbalized?
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Huge difference. When is any of those things used to buy favors from politicians? When does any of those things create an unequal arena for addressing our government?
 
What? You don't see a problem with a situation where people's access to government is determined by money? Where people with the most get the most say?

That's NOT the foundation on which our government was built and you know it...but because your party supports it, you don't think it's an issue.
 
Steelplate said:
What? You don't see a problem with a situation where people's access to government is determined by money? Where people with the most get the most say?

That's NOT the foundation on which our government was built and you know it...but because your party supports it, you don't think it's an issue.
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You're not denied access to government. You just want to stop other people from spending their money to express their views because they are able to contribute more money to candidates and interest groups. It is not a problem; it is a slogan and a talking point. It is your compensation for not spending the money and nothing else.
 
My party has always been the party opposed to obfuscating with class warfare. Lincoln opposed this sort of demogoguery and so does the current GOP. It's one of the reasons why the Democratic Party has been reviled in history.
 
Threedee said:
My party has always been the party opposed to obfuscating with class warfare. Lincoln opposed this sort of demogoguery and so does the current GOP. It's one of the reasons why the Democratic Party has been reviled in history.
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Apparently not anymore....they are now the party of the best government money can buy.
 
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