So less gun owners equals less gun violence then correct?
More Guns Means We Are Safer, Right?
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So less gun owners equals less gun violence then correct?
Sirthinksalot
Verified User
It's not a diversion dick cheese. Demonstrating a causal link is a very high bar. You know this.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Shootings of family members who are mistaken for intruders are quite common.
Need to see more data?
Guns in homes pose greater risk to families than to intruders, data show
Simply put: for every time a gun in or around the home was used in self-defense, or in a legally justified shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
That's one self-defense shooting for 22 accidental, suicidal or criminal shootings -- hardly support for the notion that having a gun handy makes people safer.
Other studies show that women and children are disproportionately the victims of such gunshots, and that when children commit suicide, guns in their home or at their friends or relatives' homes are used.
GUNS MAKE US LESS SAFE
...One of the problems with the [2004] debate was its focus on whether states that have concealed carry laws have seen declining crime rates. Both sides cited studies that showed crimes either declining or increasing in concealed carry states.
But...
A gun in the home -- thus available for self-defense -- is 22 times more likely to be used in an assault or homicide, an accidental shooting or a suicide or attempted suicide.
Researchers reached this conclusion by studying hospital admissions, emergency medical technician reports, police and medical examiner files in 626 shootings in or around a residence in three cities: Galveston, Texas; Seattle, Wash.; and Memphis, Tenn., for between 12 and 18 months.
The study was published in The Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care, in August 1998, by Dr. Arthur Kellerman of Emory University in Atlanta and four other authors. Their study was supported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
In those shootings studied by Kellerman and the co-authors, only 13 were in self-defense or were legally justifiable, and that included three shootings by law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty.
By contrast, 54 shootings were unintentional, 118 were attempted or completed suicides, and the vast majority of these shootings -- 438 -- were assaults or homicides.
Simply put: for every time a gun in or around the home was used in self-defense, or in a legally justified shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
That's one self-defense shooting for 22 accidental, suicidal or criminal shootings -- hardly support for the notion that having a gun handy makes people safer.
Other studies show that women and children are disproportionately the victims of such gunshots, and that when children commit suicide, guns in their home or at their friends or relatives' homes are used.
These facts, the sad headlines, and the huge medical bills and family traumas behind them, are even more numbing when you consider that guns kept at home are supposed to be locked away to prevent their misuse.
Common sense would dictate that a lethal weapon be kept secure and unavailable, but the rates of accidental and suicidal shootings suggest these guns are not kept under lock and key.
Instead they are readily, and recklessly and painfully, available to the wrong hands -- which Kellerman and his colleagues showed happens -- by a factor of 22.
Now consider that the gun lobby wants to make it legal to bring some of these guns out of the house, without a closet door or trigger lock to prevent their accidental or criminal use, and into the stresses and surprises of everyday life.
Put those guns in someone's pocket, or in the car, or a briefcase, backpack or purse and you logically increase the likelihood that there will be an accidental or wrongful discharge. Such as a split-second and irrevocable pull of a trigger in response to a perceived threat or in a moment of road rage.
Or when someone is handed a pink slip. Or in a domestic argument after one too many beers.
The core of the argument for concealed carry is that guns make people safer. The presence of guns in the home -- by a factor of 22 on the wrong side of the equation -- shows that firearms that could be used in self-defense actually make many more people unsafe, injured and dead.
http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/purple-wisconsin/184209741.html
Sirthinksalot
Verified User
Firearms are the only inanimate object that ever gets blamed for the actions of an evil person.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Sirthinksalot
Verified User
You are confusing trespassing with burglary. Trespassing means you are on someone's property without their permission. Entering someone's home without permission is burglary. The bar to legally use deadly force when someone has entered your home is much lower than when they are simply on your property.
Not according to my State's laws. Nothing in the law says I have to ask any questions.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
It's not a matter of what I believe but what the law says.
It's quite evident why you refuse to try and take what you say people shouldn't own.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
You still need to demonstrate how they threatened you if you choose deadly force.
Many who thought castle doctrine laws would cover them find themselves in prison for life.
LOL
Sirthinksalot
Verified User
I remember reading about that when it happened. Totally different circumstances.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
What matters is that no one has been stupid enough to make the mistake of being an intruder or an attacker.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
He was absolutely positive he would be covered under the castle doctrine laws if he shot an intruder.
He did and he wasn't.
70 years is a long time to ask questions.
So far, you barrel-strokers aren't even coming close. You won't, because it ain't there.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Sorry, boy, but my State's laws say all I have to have is a presumption. That means what I believe not what you believe.
If that's what you think, stupid nigger.
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