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ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm pretty confident that very few who supported Bernie (like me) voted for Trump. Nice try though.
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""Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.""

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/5458...voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds



12% isn't a huge number in and of itself but for people to cross over parties it's not a negligible number. Do you think they were closet racists when they supported Bernie?
 
cawacko said:
""Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.""

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/5458...voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds



12% isn't a huge number in and of itself but for people to cross over parties it's not a negligible number. Do you think they were closet racists when they supported Bernie?
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Hard to say, but they sure weren't the brightest. lol
 
SmarterthanYou said:
no, he's completely correct. tariffs are effective against countries who jockey their economy to purposefully screw our own.
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You just aren't paying attention to what's going on are you you're jumping in the middle of something and just making an ass out of yourself. The tariffs will certainly help the steel mills specifically. Electric Arc furnaces require very few people to operate so if electric Arc furnaces are built to handle the rest of our steel demand its not going to add many jobs. We currently manufactures 72% of our own steel so the remaining 28% is all that's going to be possible to manufacture. There are about 6 million jobs that rely on the cheap imported Steel in the 28% and they are going to have cost increases which means jobs are going to be lost. When Bush put tariffs on steel we lost 200,000 jobs.
 
What a surprise, union members demanding high wages end up unemployed.

Looks like China is good for something after all.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
no, he's completely correct. tariffs are effective against countries who jockey their economy to purposefully screw our own.
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Tarifs allow us protect our workers AND create bargaining chips. There definitely exist risk of isolating ourselves and pushing others away.
 
cawacko said:
""Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.""

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/5458...voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds



12% isn't a huge number in and of itself but for people to cross over parties it's not a negligible number. Do you think they were closet racists when they supported Bernie?
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say, didn't Trump win by less than that?......
 
I've changed position on a lot of things since I was like 17 sitting in a small house in a swamp in Mississippi spinning libertarian bullshit through a shitty 1.5 kbps DSL connection.

But free trade isn't one of those things.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
no, he's completely correct. tariffs are effective against countries who jockey their economy to purposefully screw our own.
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Tariffs are effective to grow infant industries. They are not useful as eternal subsidies to existing interests that want protection. If you can't come up with a period of time when the industry will be stabilized enough that the tariffs can be removed, then the tariffs are a bad idea.
 
Tariffs are a tax on consumers. The users of the products pay more and pass the costs onto the people. A tariff is not against a nation, but an industry. This is not about China. It hurts Canada, Mexico, and lots of other countries a lot more than China.
 
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